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<chat personid="3" time="13:42" timestamp="1228137290" jumptime="00:00:00">hello everybody</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="13:59" timestamp="1228137307" jumptime="00:00:00">Hi Markosz.... we are wiaitng for the others.</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="14:05" timestamp="1228137313" jumptime="00:00:00">waiting...</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="14:48" timestamp="1228137356" jumptime="00:00:00">Hi all</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="15:08" timestamp="1228137376" jumptime="00:00:00">Hi All</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="15:31" timestamp="1228137399" jumptime="00:00:00">Hi</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="15:51" timestamp="1228137419" jumptime="00:00:00">great, we only need the WP leader and the course creators........</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="15:59" timestamp="1228137427" jumptime="00:00:00">:-))</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="16:11" timestamp="1228137439" jumptime="00:00:00">hey</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="20:58" timestamp="1228137726" jumptime="00:00:00">hi everybody</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="21:26" timestamp="1228137754" jumptime="00:00:00">the secnd wp leader is here!</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="21:32" timestamp="1228137760" jumptime="00:00:00">hi Emy!</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="27:40" timestamp="1228138128" jumptime="00:04:56">Hi!</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="27:46" timestamp="1228138134" jumptime="00:05:02">Sorry for the delay...</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="29:25" timestamp="1228138233" jumptime="00:06:41">ok</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="29:58" timestamp="1228138266" jumptime="00:07:14">Maria just e-mailed me: she is sick with high fever and is at home. her home internet connection is too slow for Flashmeeting but she is available via e-mail if we have questions. </chat>
<chat personid="1" time="37:55" timestamp="1228138743" jumptime="00:15:11">UniBrighton will do Author and learner experiments in week of the 8th. I believe we have 10 learners and 1 author.</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="38:15" timestamp="1228138763" jumptime="00:15:31">we we&apos;re hoping to do the learner experiments during the 2nd week as well</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="38:37" timestamp="1228138785" jumptime="00:15:53">were..</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="39:21" timestamp="1228138829" jumptime="00:16:37">also corep will do experiments in the week of the 8th of december</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="40:00" timestamp="1228138868" jumptime="00:17:16">hi</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="40:01" timestamp="1228138869" jumptime="00:17:17">Hi Gejza!</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="41:20" timestamp="1228138948" jumptime="00:18:36">hi gejza</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="41:25" timestamp="1228138953" jumptime="00:18:41">hi Gejza</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="43:37" timestamp="1228139085" jumptime="00:20:53">gejza i could not hear you well</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="43:40" timestamp="1228139088" jumptime="00:20:56">Gejza can not hear you!</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="43:46" timestamp="1228139094" jumptime="00:21:02">Gejza, your micro is maybe off?</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="43:47" timestamp="1228139095" jumptime="00:21:03">rise up the volume</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="45:33" timestamp="1228139201" jumptime="00:22:49">opps, Francis dropped out</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="47:39" timestamp="1228139327" jumptime="00:24:55">I totally agree with you</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="50:00" timestamp="1228139468" jumptime="00:27:16">I have to see the underlying content. In order for the personalization to work the learning objects should be correct in terms of their granularity, content and their associated metadata</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="52:39" timestamp="1228139627" jumptime="00:29:55">I can see the learning objects content through DTLO</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="53:21" timestamp="1228139669" jumptime="00:30:37">Ok, so the only issue here is sharing the time-plan for this week among Gejza, Francis, Maria and Xeina, Do you agree?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="53:29" timestamp="1228139677" jumptime="00:30:45">yes</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="54:09" timestamp="1228139717" jumptime="00:31:25">and i would add to plan a final date with the course for learner tested and delivered and also tasks for authors</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="55:43" timestamp="1228139811" jumptime="00:32:59">Is it possible to have the content by Wednesday?</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="57:59" timestamp="1228139947" jumptime="00:35:15">if the courses will be available for the 11st of decenber, i&apos;m going to plan experiments on the week after becasue i am not availbale on 11 and 12</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:00:27" timestamp="1228140095" jumptime="00:37:43">This wednesday</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:01:41" timestamp="1228140169" jumptime="00:38:57">I can check the contents on Thursday, but bear in mind that it is very possible that they will need changes or adaptations in order to be appropriate for the personalization experiment</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:03:50" timestamp="1228140298" jumptime="00:41:06">Emy, i can&apos;t hear you</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="01:04:17" timestamp="1228140325" jumptime="00:41:33">sorry xenia i was asking about experiments for dvb and mobile</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:04:22" timestamp="1228140330" jumptime="00:41:38">I have no sound. Is it only my problem?</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="01:04:27" timestamp="1228140335" jumptime="00:41:43">i can hear</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:04:29" timestamp="1228140337" jumptime="00:41:45">ok</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:04:31" timestamp="1228140339" jumptime="00:41:47">now is ok</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:05:03" timestamp="1228140371" jumptime="00:42:19">I believe it would be no problem for Sofia to test dvb as well</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:05:41" timestamp="1228140409" jumptime="00:42:57">we have our own dvb systems :)</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:05:56" timestamp="1228140424" jumptime="00:43:12">and Viktor Till</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:06:11" timestamp="1228140439" jumptime="00:43:27">he is the responsible for the DVB issues within AH</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:09:34" timestamp="1228140642" jumptime="00:46:50">I have some technical questions to the content authors: a)Do you describe the learning objects with metadata? and b)Do you prepare alternative learning objects for different learning styles according to the Honey and Mumford taxonomy?</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="01:13:44" timestamp="1228140892" jumptime="00:51:00">a) yes b) no</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:13:54" timestamp="1228140902" jumptime="00:51:10">yes I know</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:14:01" timestamp="1228140909" jumptime="00:51:17">;-)</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:14:03" timestamp="1228140911" jumptime="00:51:19">a/ yes , b/ no</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="01:14:59" timestamp="1228140967" jumptime="00:52:15">you cannot do it?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:15:08" timestamp="1228140976" jumptime="00:52:24">yes it can be done by changing the sequence</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:15:12" timestamp="1228140980" jumptime="00:52:28">I agree with you</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="01:15:27" timestamp="1228140995" jumptime="00:52:43">ok</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:16:59" timestamp="1228141087" jumptime="00:54:15">I think we should have an other meeting on Thursday</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:17:53" timestamp="1228141141" jumptime="00:55:09">in order to check the status of things... :-)</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="01:17:59" timestamp="1228141147" jumptime="00:55:15">only for an hout 14-15</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:18:00" timestamp="1228141148" jumptime="00:55:16">Emy?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:18:04" timestamp="1228141152" jumptime="00:55:20">yes</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:18:33" timestamp="1228141181" jumptime="00:55:49">ok great</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:19:22" timestamp="1228141230" jumptime="00:56:38">Actually could we make it 15-16 CET?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:19:56" timestamp="1228141264" jumptime="00:57:12">Actually dont worry 14-15 is OK</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:20:13" timestamp="1228141281" jumptime="00:57:29">some questions, will there be a information package for exp. leaders (about practical/technical issues)? Personally, I&apos;m not yet familiar with the tools and don&apos;t have accounts to the systems. (the excel matrix didn&apos;t mention leaders)</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="01:20:50" timestamp="1228141318" jumptime="00:58:06">can we move the author experiment in the week of the 15th of december</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:22:14" timestamp="1228141402" jumptime="00:59:30">vote again, please for Emy&apos;s question</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:22:27" timestamp="1228141415" jumptime="00:59:43">(Sofia has learner experiments only)</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:22:30" timestamp="1228141418" jumptime="00:59:46">Er, does it matter if some people do the author exp the week of the 8th and Emy does it on the 15th. It seems people can do author experiments at different times?</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="01:23:21" timestamp="1228141469" jumptime="01:00:37">I agree with Alex</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:23:35" timestamp="1228141483" jumptime="01:00:51">Ah, so we are proposing pushing ALL authoring experiments back to the 15th?</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="01:23:54" timestamp="1228141502" jumptime="01:01:10">yes i was proposing that</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:24:17" timestamp="1228141525" jumptime="01:01:33">fine with us if we can still do learner experiments a week earlier?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:24:47" timestamp="1228141555" jumptime="01:02:03">Emy, I am sure that on Wednesday your question will automatically answered ;-)</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:25:47" timestamp="1228141615" jumptime="01:03:03">I haven&apos;t heard a word, Alex</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="01:25:52" timestamp="1228141620" jumptime="01:03:08">alex could not hear you rise up the volume</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:25:56" timestamp="1228141624" jumptime="01:03:12">me too</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:27:13" timestamp="1228141701" jumptime="01:04:29">So if I understabnd correctly, you are saying the materials needed to guide the authors will not be ready until the week of the 15th i.e. we would not have the materials to guide them through the tasks? If this is the case yes leaners exp week of the 8th and auth exp week of 15th is OK.</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="01:35:16" timestamp="1228142184" jumptime="01:12:32">11th of december at 15.30</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="01:36:45" timestamp="1228142273" jumptime="01:14:01">yes i think that there won&apos;t be problem in your case</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="01:37:01" timestamp="1228142289" jumptime="01:14:17">ok - fine</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:39:21" timestamp="1228142429" jumptime="01:16:37">Alex?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:39:48" timestamp="1228142456" jumptime="01:17:04">We are sending some suggestions to Sheyla about the SAQ later today.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:39:51" timestamp="1228142459" jumptime="01:17:07">bye Emy</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:39:54" timestamp="1228142462" jumptime="01:17:10">bye</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:40:04" timestamp="1228142472" jumptime="01:17:20">Bye</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:40:42" timestamp="1228142510" jumptime="01:17:58">both</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="01:42:27" timestamp="1228142615" jumptime="01:19:39">ok</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:42:27" timestamp="1228142615" jumptime="01:19:39">ok see you</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:42:27" timestamp="1228142615" jumptime="01:19:39">bye</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="01:42:31" timestamp="1228142619" jumptime="01:19:39">bye</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:42:49" timestamp="1228142637" jumptime="01:19:39">bye</chat>
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