http://fm.ea-tel.eu/flashmedia/flashmeeting/fm7861_f72d0f-7861 http://fm.ea-tel.eu/fm/memo.php?pwd=f72d0f-7861 http://fm.ea-tel.eu/public lomi 0:2085:0 8:5195:0 8:5341:0 9:5195:0 42:3095:0 64:5183:0 105:5201:0 108:158:0 163:299:0 662:4796:0 4973:5166:0 700:5208:0 1616:5163:0 Hello everybody - let's try to say hello and introduce ourselves? no sound, jon :-( very silent, Christian: can you increase the volume? loud and clear, Phil! hear you loud and clear, Jon! (thanks for doing this sometime middle of the night Down Under!) jeroen, do you hear/see us? erik - is there an agenda? http://ariadne.cs.kuleuven.be/lomi/index.php/Harmony thanks I hear you bit of a background buzz, Mikael, but coming through... Looks like a worthy list of items to discuss. In the "background" I'd like to note that the SC36 is now making a little more progress with their MLR standard -- & for those who are not aware it is attempting to be a next generation metadata standard for LET & the WG is committed to not creating problems with or for DC & LOM communities welcome, Jeroen! Glad this is working for you now... sorry this is all new for me... yes my first Flash meeting also! any material on current MLR work in SC36 we could consult, Jon? Could we register with the wiki to contribute. Seems not to work... Erik, I will dig up some URLs re SC36 MLR work :-) Jehad: Automatic metadata matching Pete: APs and Semantic Web Mikael: identity and semantics Jon: APs Jeroen: different uses of metadata: describe, search, filter etc. Ontology development + Combining metadata, APs Phil: Combining metadata from different element sets Christian, will look at making sure you can edit the wiki. Send an email to erik.duval@cs.kuleuven.be if this is not resolved before the end of this session. Christian: usage scenarios, sample applications Yes. Pru, can you hear/see us? Thanks. I don't have sound sorry. Pru Mitchell from education.au working with edna project AUstralia- that is OK - thanks and welcome! But you can hear us? Yes-can hear loud and clear ok, good 10pm hi, Pru! I guess you're only a few kilometres away1 (assuming I could be heard ...) could hear you ok, Mikael! One of the key issues re Applicaiton profiles is a seeming lack of an agreed & definitive approach to their development Jon: development and/or expression ? expression, yes erik - can you also provide URL of CEN/ISSS Agreement on AP guidelines? ftp://ftp.cenorm.be/PUBLIC/CWAs/e-Europe/WS-LT/cwa15555-00-2006-Jun.pdf for "Guidelines and support for building application profiles in e- learning" so, two issues: how to develop (Erik's CEN work), and then expression/format right agree * Combining elements from different standards, LOM & DC * Constraints in a "base standard": - mandatory elements - constrained vocabularies * Creating stores that support several APs * Intended semantics of different elements Sorry - I'll have to leave in a few minutes. More issues? no, not for now * Different notions of profiles - Mix and match - constraints/extensions of base standard can we standerdize how to make extensions and how to register and describe them? * Combining different extensions of base standard (identity issue) * Technical expression: Today mostly XML or RDF or SQL or... - or human-readable document - is there a middle road, not bound to a particular syntax * Identity + "element relationships" etc * How much can we cover in a description of a vocabulary / Application Profile? For info on ISO Technical reports on standardised profiles ... see: http://www.iso.org/PubliclyAvailableStandards ISO/IEC TR 10000-1:1998, Information technology ? Framework and taxonomy of International StandardizedProfiles ? Part 1: General principles and documentation frameworkISO/IEC TR 10000-3:1998, Information technology ? Framework and taxonomy of International StandardizedProfiles ? Part 3: Principles and Taxonomy for Open System Environment Profiles So you mean we can be ISO 10000-compatible? Can I have a sticker, please? :-) I would like to go ther too! * Vocabulary and AP registry Agree on importance of registries - including validation and search possibilities Also agree on registries. Who/which organisations would manage this? What do we need to do to get from where we are now (application profiles) to element profiles I haven't found it easy to locate existing vocabularies and APs of relevance BIG concept, Pete! Jeroen: please explain! ;-) * The Web as base registry APlet? I heard the term speclets used... * AP modules or speclets Pru - check out http://registry.k-int.com/ I think that should also be away figuring our that, the usefullnes of every selected element or value in the profile on information retrieval in the repository or sharing and finding the object in fed search should be described http://registry.k-int.com/ was part of the CEN/ISSS work I mentioned before Thanks for that. And for whole conversation - it has been really interesting to a newbie I won't be able to make the next meeting, but will add comments to the wiki Sorry, I won't be around on 3 May either. Yes, I am available on 3 May probably can make May 3 fine by me I'll be late again can we also plan the next session after may 3... here two Wed 16 May is OK for me ok by me! May 16 also OK Wed 16 OK for me 16 May, same time as today Much obliged - thanks, Pete! I'll certainly help review/add thanks very much for setting this up! Thanks to all of YOU for your contributions! This was Good Fun! OK, thanks! same here! Thank you, all. thanks to all thanks everyone! Thanks everyone THnx !