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<chat personid="7" time="02:13" timestamp="1225198935" jumptime="00:01:51">Schawn is here, camera and mic not working - I can here everyone so far</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="02:29" timestamp="1225198951" jumptime="00:02:07">OK, Schawn!</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="02:39" timestamp="1225198961" jumptime="00:02:17">Christian? Stefaan?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="02:51" timestamp="1225198973" jumptime="00:02:29">No audio, Stefaan!</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="03:00" timestamp="1225198982" jumptime="00:02:38">camera and headset not working, will go out and try again</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="03:10" timestamp="1225198992" jumptime="00:02:48">no audio for me too</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="03:20" timestamp="1225199002" jumptime="00:02:58">now i hear you erik</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="03:29" timestamp="1225199011" jumptime="00:03:07">yes, working the mic issue</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="05:36" timestamp="1225199138" jumptime="00:05:14">no problem to hear you Erik</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="09:30" timestamp="1225199372" jumptime="00:09:08">Can hear you fine!</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="09:39" timestamp="1225199381" jumptime="00:09:17">Yes, thanks for the reminder!</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="10:05" timestamp="1225199407" jumptime="00:09:43">yes</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="10:22" timestamp="1225199424" jumptime="00:10:00">I did vote already</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="12:31" timestamp="1225199553" jumptime="00:12:09">I did not receive any e-mail by IEEE today</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="14:26" timestamp="1225199668" jumptime="00:14:04">then i have missed it</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="14:41" timestamp="1225199683" jumptime="00:14:19">not a member</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="14:49" timestamp="1225199691" jumptime="00:14:27">I was not a member of the original ballot group, so Dan&apos;s explanation (re-circulation) makes sense</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="15:53" timestamp="1225199755" jumptime="00:15:31">I have not received any email.</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="16:16" timestamp="1225199778" jumptime="00:15:54">I agree -- it&apos;s not clear</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="25:01" timestamp="1225200303" jumptime="00:24:39">OK -- I remember now</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="26:59" timestamp="1225200421" jumptime="00:26:37">I see a cover letter -- didn&apos;t read it</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="27:31" timestamp="1225200453" jumptime="00:27:09">it is mainly an answer to comments that were made</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="27:37" timestamp="1225200459" jumptime="00:27:15">ok</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="28:22" timestamp="1225200504" jumptime="00:28:00">if you can forward this e-mail to me that would be great!</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="30:27" timestamp="1225200629" jumptime="00:30:05">no, can someone send it to me (thropps@adlnet.gov)</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="30:32" timestamp="1225200634" jumptime="00:30:10">yes it is, version 3</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="30:39" timestamp="1225200641" jumptime="00:30:17">will do, schawn!</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="30:41" timestamp="1225200643" jumptime="00:30:19">include me (stefaan.ternier@gmail.com)</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="30:47" timestamp="1225200649" jumptime="00:30:25">and stefaan :-)</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="30:55" timestamp="1225200657" jumptime="00:30:33">thx :-)</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="30:56" timestamp="1225200658" jumptime="00:30:34">No, Can you send it to me too please david.massart@eun.org</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="31:12" timestamp="1225200674" jumptime="00:30:50">No microphone today. Include me in the mailing too. tom@twason.com</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="31:19" timestamp="1225200681" jumptime="00:30:57">done</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="31:52" timestamp="1225200714" jumptime="00:31:30">everybody received it?</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="32:23" timestamp="1225200745" jumptime="00:32:01">got it</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="32:32" timestamp="1225200754" jumptime="00:32:10">it was sent on october 6th</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="33:47" timestamp="1225200829" jumptime="00:33:25">i think there were two other meetings at least that are not at the wiki</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="34:40" timestamp="1225200882" jumptime="00:34:18">we should group the meeting links somewhere</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="35:13" timestamp="1225200915" jumptime="00:34:51">let&apos;s talk about links to meetings and wiki under topic 4 for today</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="35:41" timestamp="1225200943" jumptime="00:35:19">maybe to add all?</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="38:28" timestamp="1225201110" jumptime="00:38:06">participants at 2008-04-10: Javier Gody, Jeroen Hamers, Christian M. Stracke, Andy Heath, Dan Rehak, Tom Wason</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="38:39" timestamp="1225201121" jumptime="00:38:17">Yes, thanks.</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="38:50" timestamp="1225201132" jumptime="00:38:28">thropps@ctc.com - try this email</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="39:10" timestamp="1225201152" jumptime="00:38:48">Yes</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="39:15" timestamp="1225201157" jumptime="00:38:53">I can send it by skype, Schawn, but don&apos;t see you there?</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="39:45" timestamp="1225201187" jumptime="00:39:23">Javier keep going, I will work with Erik to get it.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="39:50" timestamp="1225201192" jumptime="00:39:28">just sent it to thropps@ctc.com as well</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="40:42" timestamp="1225201244" jumptime="00:40:20">http://standards.ieee.org/guides/style/section3.html</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="43:22" timestamp="1225201404" jumptime="00:43:00">Yes!</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="47:08" timestamp="1225201630" jumptime="00:46:46">rules (plural) vs. applies (singular)</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="47:38" timestamp="1225201660" jumptime="00:47:16">ok</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="47:45" timestamp="1225201667" jumptime="00:47:23">Agree with Erik</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="47:46" timestamp="1225201668" jumptime="00:47:24">I agree (applied)</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="47:49" timestamp="1225201671" jumptime="00:47:27">yes, it was a typo, &quot;applied&quot; intended</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="49:08" timestamp="1225201750" jumptime="00:48:46">ok, fair</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="49:18" timestamp="1225201760" jumptime="00:48:56">no problem...</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="52:28" timestamp="1225201950" jumptime="00:52:06">agree1</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="53:52" timestamp="1225202034" jumptime="00:53:30">ok, agree</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="56:03" timestamp="1225202165" jumptime="00:55:41">thanks</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="56:19" timestamp="1225202181" jumptime="00:55:57">yes</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="56:33" timestamp="1225202195" jumptime="00:56:11">That statement does not seem clear to me, not sure what it is adding</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="58:28" timestamp="1225202310" jumptime="00:58:06">http://ariadne.cs.kuleuven.be/mediawiki/index.php/LOM_v1.0_Corrigenda#Issue_.2311</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="59:17" timestamp="1225202359" jumptime="00:58:55">The link for me is not working</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="59:44" timestamp="1225202386" jumptime="00:59:22">My problems is that the statement does not read clearly.</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="01:01:20" timestamp="1225202482" jumptime="01:00:58">Sure, I understand the change, justnot the wording</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:01:23" timestamp="1225202485" jumptime="01:01:01">claifies intent -- I need to look at original LOM</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:02:25" timestamp="1225202547" jumptime="01:02:03">I meant something like &quot;          - &quot;Whereas an object may have multiple components in different formats and thus 4.1:Technical.Format has size greater than 1, and  whereas one object may have multiple locations, and therefor 4.3:Technical.Location has a size greater than 1, an object can only have one size and therefor the size of 4.2:Technical.Size is 1.&quot; but see the point of what Dan is saying...</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:03:21" timestamp="1225202603" jumptime="01:02:59">That would be OK</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:03:32" timestamp="1225202614" jumptime="01:03:10">OK</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="01:03:42" timestamp="1225202624" jumptime="01:03:20">fine with me too</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="01:03:45" timestamp="1225202627" jumptime="01:03:23">fine with me</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:07:17" timestamp="1225202839" jumptime="01:06:55">question: Once approved, will the corrigenda remain a separate document or will the original standard be corrected?</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:10:04" timestamp="1225203006" jumptime="01:09:42">I agree with Erik and Dan: the specification should stand by itself. It describes what not why. </chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:15:19" timestamp="1225203321" jumptime="01:14:57">Is it possibled ot create a parallel annotated, version of the spec? This would be parrt of a best practices guide. </chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:15:47" timestamp="1225203349" jumptime="01:15:25">There are also &quot;best practice&quot; documents in IEEE process I think.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:17:45" timestamp="1225203467" jumptime="01:17:23">More opinions?</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="01:18:59" timestamp="1225203541" jumptime="01:18:37">i think we all agreed that the text should be changed OR deleted</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:19:43" timestamp="1225203585" jumptime="01:19:21">ok, i will send version 4 soon</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:19:59" timestamp="1225203601" jumptime="01:19:37">http://dublincore.org/educationwiki/DCMIIEEELTSCTaskforce</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:20:02" timestamp="1225203604" jumptime="01:19:40">Thanks for the great work, Javier: much appreciated!</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:21:51" timestamp="1225203713" jumptime="01:21:29">Thanks you Erik</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:24:50" timestamp="1225203892" jumptime="01:24:28">http://ltsc.ieee.org/xsd/lomv1.0/ - lots of things here</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:24:57" timestamp="1225203899" jumptime="01:24:35">Thx!</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="01:28:04" timestamp="1225204086" jumptime="01:27:42">already done :-)</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="01:28:12" timestamp="1225204094" jumptime="01:27:50">thx</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="01:28:16" timestamp="1225204098" jumptime="01:27:53">Thanks</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:28:19" timestamp="1225204101" jumptime="01:27:53">Thanks</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:28:22" timestamp="1225204104" jumptime="01:27:53">bye</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:28:22" timestamp="1225204104" jumptime="01:27:53">thanks, bye</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:28:23" timestamp="1225204105" jumptime="01:27:53">thanks</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:28:24" timestamp="1225204106" jumptime="01:27:53">bya</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:28:25" timestamp="1225204107" jumptime="01:27:53">Bye bye</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="01:28:25" timestamp="1225204107" jumptime="01:27:53">bye</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="01:28:27" timestamp="1225204109" jumptime="01:27:53">thanks, bye</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:28:33" timestamp="1225204115" jumptime="01:27:53">bye</chat>
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