http://fm.ea-tel.eu/flashmedia/flashmeeting/fm10825_df41dd-10825 http://fm.ea-tel.eu/fm/memo.php?pwd=df41dd-10825 http://fm.ea-tel.eu/public lomi prolearn 0:5340:0 0:5340:0 3:5341:0 10:5340:0 37:5340:0 125:329:0 135:770:0 921:970:0 1102:1141:0 1229:1318:0 1357:1520:0 160:5341:0 177:396:0 483:5341:0 190:2317:1 2318:2350:0 2351:5341:1 374:786:0 806:827:0 839:1532:1 1533:1551:0 1664:1724:0 1725:5340:1 687:5122:0 3477:5340:0 hear you fine you're pretty low in volume, mikael no sound... (problem is probably on my end) can everybody else hear ok? sound is ok for me ok for me andy: coming through fine! yes wayne: breaking up a bit, but ok brandon: ok! yolain: a bit low in volume, but ok jeroen: ok! I seem to be able to hear everyone. Did mine come through OK? I heard yolaine, but barely say any video its still breaking up a bit wayne wayne, you're breaking up badly here OK, now I hear sound I will not be able to speak, I will type comments only (forgot mic at home) yolaine, do you hear us? right i hear you but i am not sure you i can speak i am speaking coming through fine! Welcome Sarah! Sound and audio coming through very well. audio working well Jeroen I am a researcher for the National Research Council, Canada, a long time observer (and some-time critic) of LOM we all just need to remember to pause for about 3 seconds or so after you get the floor before the audio starts to flow. Coming through loud and clear Mikael! Hope you are feeling better today? Thanks, wayne, back at work tomorrow :-) Thanks Stephen, sorry we can't have you via audio as well but will watch the chat window here for your comments. Hi Andy, audio working fine. Thanks for joining us today. (I'm still looking asorund my office for a mic, I must have one stashed in here somewher... :p ) Welcome David, your audio and video are working fine. Thanks for joining us today. Javier can you join us via audio? thought i could hear some child noises! welcome to the wee ones Ahh, welcome Javier! Audio coming though fine (I found a non-working mic ) Your audio is fine audio coming through ok, with occasional lapse breaking slightly, but I can hear you yolain: welcome back, we did a short round of introductions - maybe you can introduce yourself once Wayne is ready? Wayne: your leadership will be missed, THANKS for your engagement over the years Yes, it's a shame you're stepping down Wayne but glad we've got someone good to go on with :-) erik: welcome :-) There should be an appluase tab! *applause* *applause* and *whistles* A very REAL appreciation and thanks for that virtual applause and kind remarks. It has been completely my pleasure and honor and I look forward to continuing to contribute and watch. Sorry, problems with my computer No problem Yolaine, we'll watch for your comments and questions here in this chat window. Wayne's audio not great for me better now improved for me now too... wayne is breaking up a bit you spoke too soon sarah keep going Yes still breaking up for me a bit fine now! ok right now who here is in the ballot pool? not me i am and did get the invitation to join the ballot I doubt that I am - if it's not automatic, I'm not I'm not sure if I am but think I should be? Not sure if I got ballot- will need to check. is it an email notice that you get? it is a message by email for IEEE members only? it's a bit more complex than that why wouldn't it be automatic when you join LTSC? mine came from sa-ballot@ieee.org on Tuesday 20 November I have it as well I think that http://development.standards.ieee.org/my-site has more details with respect to voting on LOM standards, please see: http://www.ieeeltsc.org/about/join) er It should be automatic http://www.ieeeltsc.org/about/join_ltsc/ Can't click on links (Flash has it's real weaknesses) so a sentence of explanation is more useful here individuals have to sign up for ballot pools, an organization -- even the ltsc -- cannot sign you up for any given ballot bool it's too complex for a sentence, you'll have to retype the url can put URL in and it will open automtically - using URL tab You need to be a member of the IEEE Standards association or the Computer society, I think If it's too complex it's probably being gerrymandered (either that or they want more money from you) we can document how one joins the ballot group - it is quite simple (even I could do it!), but a bit of an administrative thing ballot pool = total list of those interested to join any ballot; they get invitations ballot group = actual people participating in the ballot; they accepted invitation for this particular ballot I would like to know how extensive these changes can be Stephen, the corrigenda address specific technical problems with the existing standard (1484.12.1) the changes in the corrigenda are not extensive: they correct problems, but don't change anything to what was intended As Erik just outlined, the larger discussion about what needs to be covered "next" relative to LOM or even metadata overall is the purpose of the new work on what we've been referring to "LOM Next" I can't find the LOM corrigenda or LOMNext wikis right now http://ariadne.cs.kuleuven.be/mediawiki/index.php/Lomv1.1 Hm... it's not really the sense I got from the meeting notice - "there has been quite a bit of discussion on how we want to make LOM evolve over the longer term. The time has come to consolidate that discussion, gather requirements and start thinking about how to meet those." thanks, Javier, also for the work on the corrigenda itself! That is LOMnext, Stephen, and very much what we want to get to! I would recommend working concurrently - do the corrigenda on one track, and the other stuff on another track agree with the concurrent work, the more so as reaffirmation and corrigenda is more administrative and the DC and LOMnext work is much more "real work" speaker broke up & disappeared mine too OK, have your audio now Erik where is the red cross That is correct Erik, the Corrigenda PAR has been submitted and the process has begun sorry guys, my browser was playing up if you were looking at the one on http://www.ieeeltsc.org it wasn't up to date brandon, can you make the ltsc web site refer to the correct one? already working on it If I remember correctly, issues 8,9,11,12 and 19 were not resolved by the corrigenda since they were out of scope. yes i see yes point 8 ok, thanks! :-) lol erik: timeframe? Timeframe for first Balloting document, then? the ballot? yes one ballot for the re-affirmation: gives LOM 5 years before it needs to be done again ok thanks one ballot for the corrigenda: corrects small errors in LOM two ballots in total I'll sign up later on if I can Brandon, could you put up a note on the LTSC home page for those who want to join the LTSC ballot pool? i think i don't have mic not a problem Susana, you can put your comments or questions here in this chat window i'm sorry.. ok thank you i can hear you Sarah, are you able to hear the rest of the audio? thanks yes The TaskForce wiki: http://dublincore.org/educationwiki/DCMIIEEELTSCTaskforce Thanks Mikael! Moderator should 'clear all votes' before asking for vote Guess you won't be having it on Boxing Day! no problem :) no questions I can just present myself...:) it's not accepting my vote I'm from Portugal University of Porto. I work at the elearning department. I'm trying to follow DC-LOM work... mid-1995 world: right "before even Google existed"- :-) Stephen, in your most recent Email to the Joint DCMI/LOM work you mentioned "It would also be nice to see this body look at expressions of LOM in other syndication metadata, most specifically RSS and Atom, and not just DC." That's why we need a LOM that can mesh with other standards, instead of trying to do it all itself Could you be more specific as to what you think needs to be done to address this? Yes, exactly Wayne I have described my thoughts in detail in my Resource Profiles paper, from a few years ago Yes I've read Stephen paper maybe add a url here, stephen? The idea is that LOM should focus on educational attributes meshing with other forms of XML, eg. 'image' XML or 'audio' xml as appropriate and should allow meshing with 'second and third' party metadata - usage ,metadat, evaluations, etc http://www.downes.ca/files/resource_profiles.htm yes, good summarization wayne Also, LOM will need to address some more recent developments, such as identity metadata (FOAF, OpenID) (when there are lags, you tend to get interrupted) user error on my part Sarah. I need to wait before hitting the stop button Well I agree in principle Stephen but are these specific to education ? (oups, sorry) I could make the same argument for accessibility metadata yes indeed, metadata in general need proper hooks so that versioning problems aren't problems anymore Andy: yes let's have two-three more short contributions and give ourselves a few minutes to wrap up properly we need more time... :-) do we want longer or more frequent meetings: current proposal is once-a-month so how do we collect these requirements through wiki's right maybe 2 hours per meeting Good meeting -- it's nice to use FlashMeeting & have it open like this... *applause* for that thanks for this first session Erik, I'd be happy to join a next session an any wiki... if I can find the time Thanks Stephen, appreciate your time and attention to this. Hope we can have you via audio as well next time. Yeah, next time I'll remember m y mic I have appreciated this very much and am happy to join future meetings thanks everyone else too! Thanks, all thanks to all of YOU - very happy to see this re-starting! soon is good Bye all :) 5 4 3 2 1 1! bye