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<event title="Prolearn WP-2: Concepts 2" broadcasts="32" date="Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:00:00 +0000" firstnames="Peter" lastname="Scott">
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<description>Continuing our work on our current deliverable KTH will present Conzilla mapping.</description>
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<keyword>concept mapping</keyword>
<keyword>conzilla</keyword>
<keyword>prolearn</keyword>
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<chats>
<chat personid="3" time="02:45" timestamp="1165917766" jumptime="00:00:00">morning!</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="03:29" timestamp="1165917810" jumptime="00:00:00">hi all</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="03:38" timestamp="1165917819" jumptime="00:00:00">Just waiting a few minutes for any stragglers...</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="05:47" timestamp="1165917948" jumptime="00:00:00">hi everyone!!</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="06:31" timestamp="1165917992" jumptime="00:00:00">good morning!</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="06:44" timestamp="1165918005" jumptime="00:00:00">Good morning everybody!</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="07:43" timestamp="1165918064" jumptime="00:00:00">hi folks...</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="08:35" timestamp="1165918116" jumptime="00:00:00">working on it...</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="08:41" timestamp="1165918122" jumptime="00:00:00">Hi Ambjörn and Matthias, I&apos;ve just sent to you the answers for your survey. When You finish this investigation I am interested in your results...</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="09:05" timestamp="1165918146" jumptime="00:00:00">ok,I talk with amb</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="10:11" timestamp="1165918212" jumptime="00:00:00">@admin info</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="11:32" timestamp="1165918293" jumptime="00:00:00"> @@help</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="11:53" timestamp="1165918314" jumptime="00:00:00">o.k. </chat>
<chat personid="3" time="11:58" timestamp="1165918319" jumptime="00:00:00">sorry ! </chat>
<chat personid="3" time="12:11" timestamp="1165918332" jumptime="00:00:00">did a copy/paste</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="13:30" timestamp="1165918411" jumptime="00:00:00">your video is working</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="13:43" timestamp="1165918424" jumptime="00:00:00">isight?</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="14:20" timestamp="1165918461" jumptime="00:00:00">prefs high</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="14:47" timestamp="1165918488" jumptime="00:00:06">I have the flashboard up now...</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="15:55" timestamp="1165918556" jumptime="00:01:14">yes</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="15:55" timestamp="1165918556" jumptime="00:01:14">no</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="16:01" timestamp="1165918562" jumptime="00:01:20">sorry, could you open the window again? </chat>
<chat personid="0" time="16:14" timestamp="1165918575" jumptime="00:01:33">popup problems...</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="16:17" timestamp="1165918578" jumptime="00:01:36">just go to xtra</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="16:18" timestamp="1165918579" jumptime="00:01:37">tab</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="16:26" timestamp="1165918587" jumptime="00:01:45">and select  flashboard</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="16:27" timestamp="1165918588" jumptime="00:01:46">ok, thanks</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="16:35" timestamp="1165918596" jumptime="00:01:54">I see it</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="16:45" timestamp="1165918606" jumptime="00:02:04">NOT YOU Ambjorn... </chat>
<chat personid="4" time="16:49" timestamp="1165918610" jumptime="00:02:08">you are fine</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="16:55" timestamp="1165918616" jumptime="00:02:14">yes I see it</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="16:57" timestamp="1165918618" jumptime="00:02:16">fine!</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="16:59" timestamp="1165918620" jumptime="00:02:18">it was a local block on martin and katherines part</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="17:00" timestamp="1165918621" jumptime="00:02:19">ok Ambjorn!</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="18:44" timestamp="1165918725" jumptime="00:04:03">Peter, I missed the information regarding how to controll the flashboard (was trying to fix my mic..)</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="19:01" timestamp="1165918742" jumptime="00:04:20">When I talk, I can controll the flashboard directly in the flashboard?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="20:07" timestamp="1165918808" jumptime="00:05:26">matthias - we will pick this up in private chat</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="25:44" timestamp="1165919145" jumptime="00:11:03">we need to work on that live control thingy</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="25:51" timestamp="1165919152" jumptime="00:11:10">www.conzilla.org</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="26:03" timestamp="1165919164" jumptime="00:11:22">Click on &quot;Conzilla online&quot;</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="29:18" timestamp="1165919359" jumptime="00:14:37">prefs low</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="30:15" timestamp="1165919416" jumptime="00:15:34">www.confolio.org</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="41:42" timestamp="1165920103" jumptime="00:27:01">yes</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="42:55" timestamp="1165920176" jumptime="00:28:14">so wiki like</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="47:36" timestamp="1165920457" jumptime="00:32:55">Dimension of clarity in diagram, cluttered versus clean</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="47:56" timestamp="1165920477" jumptime="00:33:15">Dimension of Formality, human &apos;loose&apos; semantics versus formal language</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="50:28" timestamp="1165920629" jumptime="00:35:47">There have been many claims of effectiveness within the communities of mind mapping as well as concept mapping...</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="50:36" timestamp="1165920637" jumptime="00:35:55">Hard to evaluate</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="50:45" timestamp="1165920646" jumptime="00:36:04">sure</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="51:29" timestamp="1165920690" jumptime="00:36:48">Is it possible to label the connections?</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="52:03" timestamp="1165920724" jumptime="00:37:22">Yes, there is some predefined and then there is those that are just associations.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="52:16" timestamp="1165920737" jumptime="00:37:35">ok</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="52:28" timestamp="1165920749" jumptime="00:37:47">In both, it is possible to provide further labels to clarify.</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="53:16" timestamp="1165920797" jumptime="00:38:35">is it possible to show the labels in the conzilla map?</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="53:21" timestamp="1165920802" jumptime="00:38:40">yes.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="54:12" timestamp="1165920853" jumptime="00:39:31">Great</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="55:11" timestamp="1165920912" jumptime="00:40:30">I will show a functionality comparaision chart used to assess modeling tools.</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="55:17" timestamp="1165920918" jumptime="00:40:36">Yet not filled in :-(</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="55:48" timestamp="1165920949" jumptime="00:41:07">great Mathias</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="56:05" timestamp="1165920966" jumptime="00:41:24">:-)</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="56:18" timestamp="1165920979" jumptime="00:41:37">Sorry, I have to leave at 12:00.</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="56:25" timestamp="1165920986" jumptime="00:41:44">sorry I need to leave! bye!</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="56:31" timestamp="1165920992" jumptime="00:41:50">Bye bye</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="56:32" timestamp="1165920993" jumptime="00:41:51">yes</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="56:46" timestamp="1165921007" jumptime="00:42:05">all smiling - see you Margit and Katherine!</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="56:51" timestamp="1165921012" jumptime="00:42:10">bye</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="56:52" timestamp="1165921013" jumptime="00:42:11">thanks for dropping int</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="57:37" timestamp="1165921058" jumptime="00:42:56">it is ok</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:05:52" timestamp="1165921553" jumptime="00:51:11">Mondeca</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:09:42" timestamp="1165921783" jumptime="00:55:01">Very  good start</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:14:03" timestamp="1165922044" jumptime="00:59:22">Sorry, didn&apos;t see, behind a window</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:15:17" timestamp="1165922118" jumptime="01:00:36">me neither :-)</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:16:17" timestamp="1165922178" jumptime="01:01:36">You need Java 1.4 (or later) installed to view the maps at Conzilla online</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:16:54" timestamp="1165922215" jumptime="01:02:13">We have not configured Conzilla for Concept mapping or Mind mapping yet</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:18:44" timestamp="1165922325" jumptime="01:04:03">Yes I liked the screenshots! Good exmaple</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:19:00" timestamp="1165922341" jumptime="01:04:19">Screnshots: http://www.conzilla.org/wiki/Screenshoots/Main</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:19:58" timestamp="1165922399" jumptime="01:05:17">Is it available for dowload?</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:20:13" timestamp="1165922414" jumptime="01:05:32">great!</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:24:36" timestamp="1165922677" jumptime="01:09:55">Dynamic here means modeling time explicitely</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:25:47" timestamp="1165922748" jumptime="01:11:06">So widening to other partners next year...</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:26:13" timestamp="1165922774" jumptime="01:11:32">Need to recommend some peer reviewers ambjorn</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:26:19" timestamp="1165922780" jumptime="01:11:38">reading my mind</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:27:04" timestamp="1165922825" jumptime="01:12:23">I am :-)</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:27:09" timestamp="1165922830" jumptime="01:12:28">Great!!</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:27:36" timestamp="1165922857" jumptime="01:12:55">And next week... ;-)</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:27:45" timestamp="1165922866" jumptime="01:13:04">Flash for linux is still a problem... :-(</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:27:47" timestamp="1165922868" jumptime="01:13:06">Soon... ;)</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:27:48" timestamp="1165922869" jumptime="01:13:07">great! Thanks for interesting information!</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:27:52" timestamp="1165922873" jumptime="01:13:11">beta out, looks system.</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:28:15" timestamp="1165922896" jumptime="01:13:34">oh... will check this.</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:28:21" timestamp="1165922902" jumptime="01:13:40">Thanks a lot for this interesting presentation!</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:28:22" timestamp="1165922903" jumptime="01:13:41">Excellent!</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:28:29" timestamp="1165922910" jumptime="01:13:48">Great :-)</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:28:31" timestamp="1165922912" jumptime="01:13:50">Yes</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:28:45" timestamp="1165922926" jumptime="01:14:04">Thanks for listening to us ;-)</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:28:57" timestamp="1165922938" jumptime="01:14:16">bye!</chat>
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<note time="27:21" timestamp="1165919242" jumptime="00:12:40">http://www.conzilla.org/</note>
<note time="28:28" timestamp="1165919309" jumptime="00:13:47">green=content; blue= appear in different maps; brown is a mix of BOTH</note>
<note time="30:30" timestamp="1165919431" jumptime="00:15:49">http://www.confolio.org/</note>
<note time="34:39" timestamp="1165919680" jumptime="00:19:58">Hiding complexity is as important as showing it; layering helps</note>
<note time="48:02" timestamp="1165920483" jumptime="00:33:21">UML or ULM?</note>
<note time="01:19:21" timestamp="1165922362" jumptime="01:04:40">Screenshots: http://www.conzilla.org/wiki/Screenshoots/Main</note>
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