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<description>PROLEARN Vision Statement 3: &quot;Promote innovation, creativity, and entrepreneurship at work&quot;</description>
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<chat personid="2" time="00:52" timestamp="1165827654" jumptime="00:00:02">Good mùorning everyone</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:00" timestamp="1165827662" jumptime="00:00:10">morning</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:15" timestamp="1165827677" jumptime="00:00:25">great!!</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:22" timestamp="1165827684" jumptime="00:00:32">good for sustainability plan</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:23" timestamp="1165827685" jumptime="00:00:33">good morning</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:26" timestamp="1165827688" jumptime="00:00:36">good morning</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:51" timestamp="1165827713" jumptime="00:01:01">ok :)</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:52" timestamp="1165827714" jumptime="00:01:02">how much funding?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="02:08" timestamp="1165827730" jumptime="00:01:18">great</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="02:10" timestamp="1165827732" jumptime="00:01:20">really good!!</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="02:24" timestamp="1165827746" jumptime="00:01:34">yes</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="02:25" timestamp="1165827747" jumptime="00:01:35">Croatia!</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="02:33" timestamp="1165827755" jumptime="00:01:43">Croatia great!!</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="02:46" timestamp="1165827768" jumptime="00:01:56">Hi everyone</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="02:49" timestamp="1165827771" jumptime="00:01:59">almost Slovenia</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="02:55" timestamp="1165827777" jumptime="00:02:05">hi</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="03:03" timestamp="1165827785" jumptime="00:02:13">hi Ambjorn</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="03:08" timestamp="1165827790" jumptime="00:02:18">hi ambjorn</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="03:16" timestamp="1165827798" jumptime="00:02:26">hi amine</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="03:29" timestamp="1165827811" jumptime="00:02:39">good morning everyone</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="04:23" timestamp="1165827865" jumptime="00:03:33">good morning, sorry that I have no camera today</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="04:39" timestamp="1165827881" jumptime="00:03:49">good morning, Daniel</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="04:54" timestamp="1165827896" jumptime="00:04:04">Hi Daniel</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="06:23" timestamp="1165827985" jumptime="00:05:33">When are we starting?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="07:20" timestamp="1165828042" jumptime="00:06:30">no problem</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="07:33" timestamp="1165828055" jumptime="00:06:43">Yes</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="08:14" timestamp="1165828096" jumptime="00:07:24">Your&apos;e fine</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="08:50" timestamp="1165828132" jumptime="00:08:00">Good work Amine</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="13:21" timestamp="1165828403" jumptime="00:12:31">hello everyone</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="13:51" timestamp="1165828433" jumptime="00:13:01">Hi Denis</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="41:18" timestamp="1165830080" jumptime="00:40:28">The last slide is on the whiteboard</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="45:32" timestamp="1165830334" jumptime="00:44:42">INDEED - VERY trick</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="45:35" timestamp="1165830337" jumptime="00:44:45">tricky</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="45:48" timestamp="1165830350" jumptime="00:44:58">Culture not technology change</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="46:15" timestamp="1165830377" jumptime="00:45:25">trusted networks</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="50:24" timestamp="1165830626" jumptime="00:49:34">thanks for the comments</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="52:47" timestamp="1165830769" jumptime="00:51:57">Yes, context is a key concept :)</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="53:30" timestamp="1165830812" jumptime="00:52:40">thank you</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="54:38" timestamp="1165830880" jumptime="00:53:48">Definitely</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="54:49" timestamp="1165830891" jumptime="00:53:59">that´s a skill that has also to be learned</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="55:58" timestamp="1165830960" jumptime="00:55:08">OK</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="55:59" timestamp="1165830961" jumptime="00:55:09">yes</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="56:00" timestamp="1165830962" jumptime="00:55:10">fine</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="57:59" timestamp="1165831081" jumptime="00:57:09">I think that there is a danger in separating too much between knowledge and learning</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="57:59" timestamp="1165831081" jumptime="00:57:09">thanks</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="58:16" timestamp="1165831098" jumptime="00:57:26">Every learning experience leads to knowledge</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="58:19" timestamp="1165831101" jumptime="00:57:29">you´re right Ambjörn, learning and knowledge are 2 sides of the same coin</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="58:28" timestamp="1165831110" jumptime="00:57:38">hence learning pull = knowledge pull</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="59:09" timestamp="1165831151" jumptime="00:58:19">Sure, that´s my point, we should stress this statement, but making an exprofesso mention to knowledge and learning and the similar, when not equal, approach</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="59:15" timestamp="1165831157" jumptime="00:58:25">The key issue is that learning should be interest-based = intrinsically motivated</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="59:17" timestamp="1165831159" jumptime="00:58:27">thank you</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:02:08" timestamp="1165831330" jumptime="01:01:18">I think cross-disciplinarity is important</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:02:23" timestamp="1165831345" jumptime="01:01:33">But so is intra-disciplinarity</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:02:48" timestamp="1165831370" jumptime="01:01:58">which is very politically incorrect to talk about today</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:03:15" timestamp="1165831397" jumptime="01:02:25">We need a balance between them</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:03:43" timestamp="1165831425" jumptime="01:02:53">Good point!</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:03:53" timestamp="1165831435" jumptime="01:03:03">innovation is inherently disruptive</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:04:04" timestamp="1165831446" jumptime="01:03:14">not necessarily</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:04:08" timestamp="1165831450" jumptime="01:03:18">administrators hate disruptive technologies</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:04:15" timestamp="1165831457" jumptime="01:03:25">ye neccessarily ;-)</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:04:15" timestamp="1165831457" jumptime="01:03:25">yes they do</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="01:04:24" timestamp="1165831466" jumptime="01:03:34">yes, we should network competent people = intra-knowledge (not incomptent) to build new comptenceies</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:04:27" timestamp="1165831469" jumptime="01:03:37">:-)</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="01:04:37" timestamp="1165831479" jumptime="01:03:47">I agree, necessarily!</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:04:44" timestamp="1165831486" jumptime="01:03:54">Yes Denis</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:05:23" timestamp="1165831525" jumptime="01:04:33">We cannot &quot;talk deep&quot; without our professional community</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:05:39" timestamp="1165831541" jumptime="01:04:49">Outside we can only &quot;talk wide&quot;</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:05:46" timestamp="1165831548" jumptime="01:04:56">We need to do both</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:05:55" timestamp="1165831557" jumptime="01:05:05">Be intresting to have a presentation on innovation theory; aint familiar with that</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="01:06:27" timestamp="1165831589" jumptime="01:05:37">including social innovation ;-)</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:06:33" timestamp="1165831595" jumptime="01:05:43">radical innovation are disruptive by nature, while incremental innovations are not</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:07:46" timestamp="1165831668" jumptime="01:06:56">And students don&apos;t like &quot;disruptive pedagogy&quot; !!</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:08:04" timestamp="1165831686" jumptime="01:07:14">Especially not when tests are changed!</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:08:16" timestamp="1165831698" jumptime="01:07:26">:-)</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:08:20" timestamp="1165831702" jumptime="01:07:30">mastering continuous development requires exploitative KM processes, while disruptive developments require exploratory KM</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:08:37" timestamp="1165831719" jumptime="01:07:47">these are difficult mix in one orgfanisation</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:09:55" timestamp="1165831797" jumptime="01:09:05">So... back to Ralf&apos;s point... what next? Vana?</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="01:10:19" timestamp="1165831821" jumptime="01:09:29">Golf is an intersting community of practice where the main practice is business, not golf ... (example to reproduce)</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="01:10:31" timestamp="1165831833" jumptime="01:09:41">Sorry, I have to go to another city in the South now. Thank you Ralf, Amine and all for the meeting. Cheers</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:10:44" timestamp="1165831846" jumptime="01:09:54">bye Daniel</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:10:47" timestamp="1165831849" jumptime="01:09:57">Bye Daniel</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:12:46" timestamp="1165831968" jumptime="01:11:56">bye daniel</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:12:52" timestamp="1165831974" jumptime="01:12:02">Schumpeter!</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:14:10" timestamp="1165832052" jumptime="01:13:20">http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/flashmeeting.php?pwd=d4794f-6617</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="01:14:18" timestamp="1165832060" jumptime="01:13:28">I thought that this was at 11 today. So sorry for being too late </chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:14:27" timestamp="1165832069" jumptime="01:13:37">Vana - talk after the meeting?</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="01:14:28" timestamp="1165832070" jumptime="01:13:38">I may not be able to join the next meeting (I will be in Arabia)</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:14:59" timestamp="1165832101" jumptime="01:14:09">Hi Barbara - I had exactly the same problem with timing !</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="01:15:14" timestamp="1165832116" jumptime="01:14:24">good to know  that I was not the only one ;-)</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:15:36" timestamp="1165832138" jumptime="01:14:46">Arabia, Helsinki (the Finnish Living Lab) - or Saudi Arabia :-)</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="01:15:49" timestamp="1165832151" jumptime="01:14:59">capturing best practices - add identifying critical success factors</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:16:06" timestamp="1165832168" jumptime="01:15:16">Bottom up quality assurance</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:16:16" timestamp="1165832178" jumptime="01:15:26">By conceptual calibration</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:16:21" timestamp="1165832183" jumptime="01:15:31">the community ensures quality</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="01:16:23" timestamp="1165832185" jumptime="01:15:33">Arabia = United Arab Emirates </chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:16:30" timestamp="1165832192" jumptime="01:15:40">1. Agreeing on what we agree on</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:16:38" timestamp="1165832200" jumptime="01:15:48">2. Agreeing on what we don&apos;t agree on</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:16:49" timestamp="1165832211" jumptime="01:15:59">3. Documenting 1 and 2 in a way that we agree on</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="01:18:17" timestamp="1165832299" jumptime="01:17:27">I have to leave. Thanks. CU next time</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:18:23" timestamp="1165832305" jumptime="01:17:33">Collaborative context-building can be done by Collaborilla :)</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:18:53" timestamp="1165832335" jumptime="01:18:03">Check the chat later</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:19:02" timestamp="1165832344" jumptime="01:18:12">good sum-ip</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:19:59" timestamp="1165832401" jumptime="01:19:09">Ambjorn will be presenting a talk on WP-2 tomorrow</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:20:00" timestamp="1165832402" jumptime="01:19:10">http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/public/3/6494/</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="01:20:01" timestamp="1165832403" jumptime="01:19:11">bye everyone</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:20:02" timestamp="1165832404" jumptime="01:19:12">Bye</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:20:03" timestamp="1165832405" jumptime="01:19:13">all welcome</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:20:04" timestamp="1165832406" jumptime="01:19:14">byebye</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:20:05" timestamp="1165832407" jumptime="01:19:15">bye everyone</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:20:10" timestamp="1165832412" jumptime="01:19:20">Thanks everyone</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:21:20" timestamp="1165832482" jumptime="01:20:30">could be a fun session...</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:21:28" timestamp="1165832490" jumptime="01:20:38">that will be great Barbara. Thanks</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="01:22:31" timestamp="1165832553" jumptime="01:21:41">ok. we keep following up on that</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:23:00" timestamp="1165832582" jumptime="01:22:10">http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/public/3/6494</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:23:03" timestamp="1165832585" jumptime="01:22:13">what time?</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:23:06" timestamp="1165832588" jumptime="01:22:16">;-)</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:23:18" timestamp="1165832600" jumptime="01:22:28">11 cet</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:24:21" timestamp="1165832663" jumptime="01:23:31">going to use the wp-2 slot? http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/public/3/6495/</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:28:19" timestamp="1165832901" jumptime="01:27:29">heh, heh</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:28:30" timestamp="1165832912" jumptime="01:27:40">bye</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:28:40" timestamp="1165832922" jumptime="01:27:50">Ambhörn - you always manage to amaze us</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="01:28:43" timestamp="1165832925" jumptime="01:27:53">bye</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:28:54" timestamp="1165832936" jumptime="01:28:04">:-)</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:28:58" timestamp="1165832940" jumptime="01:28:08">bye</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:29:04" timestamp="1165832946" jumptime="01:28:14">bye!</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:29:15" timestamp="1165832957" jumptime="01:28:25">I am available</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:41:17" timestamp="1165833679" jumptime="01:40:27">yes</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:41:37" timestamp="1165833699" jumptime="01:40:47">yes I see the point</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:46:43" timestamp="1165834005" jumptime="01:45:53">No it is not</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:46:56" timestamp="1165834018" jumptime="01:46:06">the model yes, but the content is different</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:48:13" timestamp="1165834095" jumptime="01:47:23">ok</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:49:26" timestamp="1165834168" jumptime="01:48:36">ok will do</chat>
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