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<keyword>meta data</keyword>
<keyword>prolearn</keyword>
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<chat personid="3" time="00:23" timestamp="1131456625" jumptime="00:00:00">welcome!</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:16" timestamp="1131456678" jumptime="00:00:40">Type here...No camera, will join @ Tjeu</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:28" timestamp="1131456690" jumptime="00:00:52">No camera here either</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:40" timestamp="1131456702" jumptime="00:01:04">sound OK for all?</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:47" timestamp="1131456709" jumptime="00:01:11">yeah, audio fine here</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:58" timestamp="1131456720" jumptime="00:01:22">Katrien: volume is low!</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="02:26" timestamp="1131456748" jumptime="00:01:50">Tjeu: sound is low!</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="05:32" timestamp="1131456934" jumptime="00:04:56">I have audio drop out here..  </chat>
<chat personid="1" time="05:39" timestamp="1131456941" jumptime="00:05:03">me too</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="05:44" timestamp="1131456946" jumptime="00:05:08">we loose audio</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="05:56" timestamp="1131456958" jumptime="00:05:20">Yes</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="05:57" timestamp="1131456959" jumptime="00:05:21">yes</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="08:43" timestamp="1131457125" jumptime="00:08:07">Hi Brandon and Marie - feel free to ask, comment, etc.</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="09:04" timestamp="1131457146" jumptime="00:08:28">Good Morning Erik.  Thanks for the welcome.</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="09:23" timestamp="1131457165" jumptime="00:08:47">Second round of this seminar will be a round table discussion on main barriers and enablers for learning objects</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="15:09" timestamp="1131457511" jumptime="00:14:33">feel free to use this space to ask a question - or raise your hand by &quot;joining the queue&quot;</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="17:14" timestamp="1131457636" jumptime="00:16:38">admin</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="17:16" timestamp="1131457638" jumptime="00:16:40">no password</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="18:15" timestamp="1131457697" jumptime="00:17:39">my browser remains empty for jupiter.cti.espol.edu.ec...</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="18:19" timestamp="1131457701" jumptime="00:17:43">i get an &quot;operation timed out&quot; error message</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="18:22" timestamp="1131457704" jumptime="00:17:46">we only see an emty window..</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="18:31" timestamp="1131457713" jumptime="00:17:55">we&apos;ve slashdotted it</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="18:31" timestamp="1131457713" jumptime="00:17:55">same here..</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="18:31" timestamp="1131457713" jumptime="00:17:55">&quot;server stopped responding&quot;</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="19:18" timestamp="1131457760" jumptime="00:18:42">use the LOMI wiki to make it available</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="20:04" timestamp="1131457806" jumptime="00:19:28">SILO?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="20:11" timestamp="1131457813" jumptime="00:19:35">Tjeu has to leave for a meeting</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="20:22" timestamp="1131457824" jumptime="00:19:46">bye tjeu - see you soon!</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="20:27" timestamp="1131457829" jumptime="00:19:51">GJ has still 10 minutes.</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="20:28" timestamp="1131457830" jumptime="00:19:52">Ok, thanks.</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="20:38" timestamp="1131457840" jumptime="00:20:02">SILO comes up fine</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="20:53" timestamp="1131457855" jumptime="00:20:17">GJ - let me know if you want to talk later...</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="21:56" timestamp="1131457918" jumptime="00:21:20">That&apos;s OK</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="24:56" timestamp="1131458098" jumptime="00:24:20">I think it would be interesting to tie assesment performance to learning objects.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="25:54" timestamp="1131458156" jumptime="00:25:18">(Gert-Jan)Assesment results could indicate something on the quality, rather than reuse..I Think</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="26:39" timestamp="1131458201" jumptime="00:26:03">exactly,  we focus a lot on reuse, but what good is reuse if the object is a poor instructional object?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="33:14" timestamp="1131458596" jumptime="00:32:38">(Gert-Jan):I understand you point, I have to leave also for a meeting; thanks for the experience. I like to contnue the discussions later Xavier.</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="33:30" timestamp="1131458612" jumptime="00:32:54">I will be glad</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="39:48" timestamp="1131458990" jumptime="00:39:12">I have to leave to the harbour... see you in next seminar!</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="40:07" timestamp="1131459009" jumptime="00:39:31">see you Hans...</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="40:08" timestamp="1131459010" jumptime="00:39:32">To Erik: we are working on www2006 with Riina</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="41:34" timestamp="1131459096" jumptime="00:40:58">Welcome... thanks you all</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="42:00" timestamp="1131459122" jumptime="00:41:24">Thank you Xavier. We look forward to hearing more details as your research progresses.</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="50:57" timestamp="1131459659" jumptime="00:50:21">Xavier, you just mentioned a tool that was an example of transparency, we could not understand what you said was the tool name </chat>
<chat personid="1" time="52:20" timestamp="1131459742" jumptime="00:51:44">The tools was ALOCOMO, created by Katrien</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="52:27" timestamp="1131459749" jumptime="00:51:51">thank you :-)</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="55:20" timestamp="1131459922" jumptime="00:54:44">You could not ask the teachers to change the way they create material</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="59:19" timestamp="1131460161" jumptime="00:58:43">ok, i agree :-)</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="59:25" timestamp="1131460167" jumptime="00:58:49">Jay, Michael, what do you think?</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="59:26" timestamp="1131460168" jumptime="00:58:50">Thats my main barrier. Tools. </chat>
<chat personid="3" time="59:51" timestamp="1131460193" jumptime="00:59:15">Gonzalo?</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:01:13" timestamp="1131460275" jumptime="01:00:37">that would be the microsoft approach, right?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:01:27" timestamp="1131460289" jumptime="01:00:51">embrace and domain :)</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="01:03:13" timestamp="1131460395" jumptime="01:02:37">so, I tried to get pitched at Google the question...ok, google engineers, you&apos;re smart, and you have kids in school and their teachers need help, what would *you* do to create a &quot;Google Education&quot;</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="01:04:14" timestamp="1131460456" jumptime="01:03:38">I don&apos;t think that particular idea got pitched, but we (David Wiley) did get some traction on working with Google to deploy some tools under development to help education and learning, problem is I don&apos;t remember exactly what they&apos;re working on</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:05:46" timestamp="1131460548" jumptime="01:05:10">For example; all the tools I can find to develop metadata profiles are extremely abstract and difficult to integrate/use. This I guess is to be expected as the field matures, but it is a very frustrating place for a non-programmer right now! ;)</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:05:55" timestamp="1131460557" jumptime="01:05:19">sorry no..</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:06:05" timestamp="1131460567" jumptime="01:05:29">I have been looking at the reload program</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:06:10" timestamp="1131460572" jumptime="01:05:34">www.reload.ac.uk</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:06:47" timestamp="1131460609" jumptime="01:06:11">(I have only been involved in VLEs for a couple of weeks, so I have very limited experiance anyway...)</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:07:13" timestamp="1131460635" jumptime="01:06:37">I agree...</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:07:19" timestamp="1131460641" jumptime="01:06:43">There is lots of JISC project work in this field</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:07:22" timestamp="1131460644" jumptime="01:06:46">(in the UK)</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="01:09:07" timestamp="1131460749" jumptime="01:08:31">Erik you are breaking up, a lot</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:09:09" timestamp="1131460751" jumptime="01:08:33">no audio</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:09:50" timestamp="1131460792" jumptime="01:09:14">However, a good driver for progress is the VLE community. It seems very accessable, lots of people at different levels contributing freely. </chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:10:05" timestamp="1131460807" jumptime="01:09:29">Looks nice!</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="01:12:35" timestamp="1131460957" jumptime="01:11:59">offtopic: Who will be attending I2LOR?</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="01:15:27" timestamp="1131461129" jumptime="01:14:51">7:45</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:17:36" timestamp="1131461258" jumptime="01:17:00">heh, I will have a look, but i have a noisy office!...</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="01:17:38" timestamp="1131461260" jumptime="01:17:02">my work is very preliminary, but I would be willing to share my plans - Marie</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:18:03" timestamp="1131461285" jumptime="01:17:27">I will have to get back to you</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:18:11" timestamp="1131461293" jumptime="01:17:35">sure</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="01:19:17" timestamp="1131461359" jumptime="01:18:41">the schedule needs to go up on the wiki,  I&apos;ll add these two tentative meetings</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:20:12" timestamp="1131461414" jumptime="01:19:36">Thanks for your time and comments every one. </chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:20:58" timestamp="1131461460" jumptime="01:20:16">bye bye</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:21:00" timestamp="1131461462" jumptime="01:20:16">Bye Erik!</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:21:02" timestamp="1131461464" jumptime="01:20:16">bye...</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="01:21:03" timestamp="1131461465" jumptime="01:20:16">Thank you all!</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:22:23" timestamp="1131461545" jumptime="01:20:16">Bye!</chat>
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