http://fm.ea-tel.eu/flashmedia/flashmeeting/fm12215_9c3cc9-12215 http://fm.ea-tel.eu/fm/memo.php?pwd=9c3cc9-12215 http://fm.ea-tel.eu/public Show in a Box tutorials and tips. showinabox vlog wordpress 0:7118:0 1:4427:0 4466:7119:0 14:1330:0 1368:1751:0 1780:7118:0 96:7118:0 121:7118:0 137:218:0 363:7106:0 189:7119:0 233:7118:0 319:341:0 419:7118:0 654:921:0 1022:7119:0 2243:7118:0 6478:7110:0 Hey guys yep sunny and 30ish here, sorry no video or audio from me:( where you located adam hi cheryl western Michigan sounds good hi Cheryl hi milt hello Milt hi hi! Hi kids yo jay hey guys no audio or video jay jay! ah yes hi Jay and Ryanne they'll be back brb...getting something to munch on... Adam - do you have sound? I can here but cannot use my Mic... hear here hear HI! hi do you have video today JeN? did jen come in? i missed here im back hello hi ry Hi guys - do you have the agenda? sound is good Aha. Jay's agenda is to talk about: the website, tutorials, plugins, themes agenda: plugins, tutorials, themes, and website hi again - sorry I had to go config my camera. hi jen hi :) no apologies!!!! yeah I'd love to explain how to post things to the website - so many people are empowered to update plug-in info, post where you are going to speak, post your own tutorials, etc etc..... I believe I've been tasked with working on themes yes, jen - we need your "how to post" tutorial on what all the categories are for, how to get your content into the right place yes! a tutorial can be a link to a thing somewhere else!! jen...why dont speak up about the site don't forget to count a few seconds before stop broadcasting I'll second that Cheryl ill remember to not hit the button so soon siabrocks it would be cool to document thngs we are learning as we learn them hey enric http://showinabox.tv/wp/wp-admin/ hi mike Jen, can you verify that I have been set up as a user? hey Markus Hey yall hey mike adam you have not - I'll add you right now hang on adam I need your email address to add you awarner20@yahoo.com category? :) tutorials children...video tuts and text tuts ok adam try to login with the password siabrocks and let us know i ll speak up People should uncheck the use rich text editor box on their user page yes? sounds good so Let me understand - the site seperates stuff on the front page by categories? Jen, my username? Adam: oh, duh "adamwarner" ok, thanks (I iz a dork) probably it is safest to uncheck the rich text editor. at least for now. apparently they are fixing the problems with this in wp2.5 1st rule of Show-In-A-Box. Talk about Show-In-A-Box. ;) or if you are in love with the rich text editor just CHECK to make sure your post looks right when you are done yeah..we're content creators...not just making a wordpress thing meet us in person! we are cool -- not restricted to 'A show in a Box presentation" ---- thats GREAT! we actually spent a fair amount of time on SIAB at SHVH (of course) yes! definitely promote yurselves through SIAB what do you mean "buttons" your work and projects i made some small graphics to replace "in person" "whats new" text Jen, would that be the "Optional Excerpt" field? yes jen do images auto size or should we go for a specific width i made them small for both front page and post I think we need a write-up or screencast on how to post to SIAB and put on our wiki no apologies!! yeah, no apologies!! i'm sorry, but no apologies ha ha the site is great! it's a work in progress - just like all of us! the site will get better as we put more content on it good one milt i would love to have avatars, photos, icons for people on the team page too,,,just to throw that out there milt, im already done, im perfect. ummmmm Ryanne, I'll second that.. yes we know = Ha adam you should be on that page too btw yeah....adam...you are doing a good job at wordpress modder if you send me a bio, i'll post it we should make a post about that project on SIAB...ill be glad to write it so you dont have to talk about yourself http://showinabox.tv/download/ Ryanne and Jen...I think collecting some images from "The Team" would be pretty easy to add the thumbs to their bios looks like it's just a wp page to edit... yeah i dont know whether to ask people for them or go on flickr it's a matter of gathering photos is all, i can post them easily think ask...but then grab them if some peple dont send them ok http://showinabox.tv/download/ so they showed up in number order + only ones with numbers? that's cool. YES IT IS Yeah ! Add more content! great question.... jay Which page are you talking about? the download page milt http://showinabox.tv/download/ ah category page right? yeah it's a category page not a page page category archive? or a page with php code on it using custom query to fill in the content I think the download page would loook nice with some thumbs...but there would need to be a goto person to make sure all thumbs are the same size thx verdi Jen can you turn your mic up a little? i agree Jen i think we need an all in one page it's fool proof both? who you calling a fool? just an aside, when I first visited the site, I was expecting a whole "SIAB Package" download. Maybe rename it to SIAB Tools or Resources??? verdi, did you have CQS display those posts in alphabetical order? that would be why you put the tutorial # in the post title? who's more the fool? the fool? or those that follow the fool? yeah...adam, we did have it as one big download..but then changed it i agree we shoudl chage the name from Download to resources oh, I see... ha ha markus....ummmmmm got it, verdi, thank you Resources is a better fit Hi Mike:) Adam... good day Will you post those Verdi???? Post them on the website they just didn't go on the page because i was confused and overwhelmed with making the theme..... add the links !! yeah, your own stand-alone theme - I think it just needs a LINK updated on the download page good thought.... ah, exactly, jay the place where the whole entire thing is explained step by step of what you need, and then what you can add optionaly each download link should also be linked to a tutorial yes how about the list of links, and under it a "for beginners area" and at the top a link for beginners to get to the beginners area Getting Started yup "how to start your own videoblog using SIAB tools and resources And also super quick links for advanced users to see all in one what the latest version of each part is + grab them quickly. whatever we ... "???" that's important, but can be very small / not take up much room at all + pull attention I'll be doing stuff as I listen...be back and forth... :) YES! We could put that video on the home page. And show it in workshops if we want Nice idea, Milt - and yeah, Jen we could put it on the home page as an intro exactly Milt... box full of tools...thats good right on milt Yes, there should be an About or intro to SIAB An overview Hi Mike - glad you're here, we need average joe user! Mike - lover your stuff! your input is super important Yes! We love the "adverage Joe User" input. It's always a huge help. your mic is pretty loud Mike lover? love your stuff thanks! good thoughts Mike and that was my confusion at first too... how can we better explain it? you've got it box of tools for using WP for videoblogging, ala Milt would a little video work ? sounds good you just think you're confused works nicely, Enric sounds good how about an "about siab" video right on the main pag? cool, i'll let you guys make that ; ) yes yup i think such a video would make everything much clearer and easier for people maybe we sketch up an outline together How about if you put the interviews on what people are doing it on one video And make that first video just be -- what is SIAB? It's these plugins + theme (or any other) + WP let's make a quiz that people have to pass before using siab ;) Yes, we'll put them all in one video LOL Markus, a quiz AHHHH a quiz I would really recommend two different videos. Easier to do... (and so will happen sooner). AND the two videos (or 3+) do different things - so they would be used differently so that's milt's new assignment! maybe a two or three vids right on the main page...what is siab? What tools can I use? How are others using it? I think it should be several - but one overview hi good people hi ze Hi Ze hi Ze Hi Ze jose! voice too low hi :-) yes, your stream is slower than the others Just for organizational puposes, can we task people with certain tasks so we're not duplicating? the wiki could show who is working on what go jen, detour is okay ok Cheryl tutorials to do: related videos, recent videos, video comments, visual archive, what is SIAB? how is the pledge drive coming? agreed markus....you want to talk about Pledge Drive? it's hard for me to keep up with what should be posted in the site too sure yes, jen, agreed - please own keeping SIAB.tv updated with regard to whatever your contribution is - theme or plugin jen can you summarize? add to download add a what's new post what else? I like that we're all empowered to update the site ourselves but I fear that doing this might end up creating confusion on where things are posted, etc. sounds like we need a screencast on that I said that earlier Verdi :) rss feed from vpip or charles to siab? maybe we could put some "how to add stuff to siab" guidelines or something. Like make sure to update siab and put this in this cat, that in that cat, go to siab group and update other members, then go to wiki and update that yeah OK do we have a showinabox twitter? verdi, that speaks to my fears agreed I can make a page lke that AND that's what this conference is for -- to help everyone leave more clear about where things go. not for pledge drive That's a good idea in theory, Milt, but we just agreed to keep the download page AND the individual plug-in pages. AH had a download page And there are links on both pages we could have a page that included the rss from each plugin and so everything could be in one place? OK - no that's good so we direct to vpip download page and videopress download pages (magically) I didn't understand automagically;) Sure... Milt used to be "an average Joe User" - not anymore :) HA! still and always - average Joe that's me every plugin should have some kind of rss for their releases/news we just have to build some widgets (rss2html) for grouping all on the same page. did i explained better now? :-) makes sense yeah Jay we keep loosing your last sentance. zenuno - i have no idea how to do what you are talking about. do you want to set such a system up? yeah. its the same stuff you use when you put some rss news on the sidebar of the blog. That sounds sooooo kewl good idea markus on wordpress (php) blogs should be easy yeah i never thought about someone stealing your project funding.... good catch there I want to try it out, Markus Yes, I have to get back to you on that Markus!! does Pledge Drive work with something besides PayPal? I have 2 really good projects for it! no so much steal ry, but could change your goal or amount raised in meter. right as rep'd on their blog Yeah! vPIP for Drupal! :) anyway, flash option allows for more control by project owner oh man vPIP for Drupal would be amazing i would say wait if we know it's going to get changed sorry, stepped away....am cooking eggs and the water was ready boiling... would we run that on siab.tv also - remember WP 2.5 is coming out March 10. gads, I know WP 2.5 But I think your question about when Verdi's look will be in is not less than a week and probably within 2 weeks. ahhhh march 10 Yes, and for those who haven't heard about WP 2.5 -- it features a completely redesigned admin area. Everything will look different behind the scenes yeah, then I added an updated example that uses the li Yea, I'll figure out probably Michael Umm, so I should feel comfortable upgrading WP? I mean, everything should still work? Recent, Archive, Video Comments etc? You can check out WP 2.5 here: http://wp.chrisjohnston.org/ (log in at http://wp.chrisjohnston.org/wp-login.php) yeah, michael, exactly great! MMoon - I don't think we know if our plug-ins will work with WP 2.5 because I don't think any of us have had time to download the SVN bleeding edge wp and test the changes are mostly about the admin area anyway as with any software updates, I would always wait a few weeks before upgrading to add to what to Jay said about the theme for Lost in Light.... Yes Adam... perhaps the SIAb site could give the thumbs up when it seems a WP upgrade is working and compatible with the plugins here is the list of possible themes: http://showinabox.pbwiki.com/mockups What is "Millions of us"? I am moving slower than expected in theme creation but I think building theme that have "built in support" for plugins like recent, related, vpip, etc is the ultimate goal for me built in support meaning that any php include codes related to specific plugins will already by included in the template files im writing notes for this call here: http://showinabox.pbwiki.com/Notes-from-Call-Feb-24%2C-2008 adam, can you use your auido mic to talk about support for plugins? users would need to download and install the plugins, or they could be bundled in the theme download, but including the plugin codes in the templates at least takes that task away from non-techy video producers sorry Jay, I'm using a broke-ass system at the moment;) none of the plug-ins need hooks Can you add new hooks into themes? no more k2 jay (unless in standalone themes like verdi not from stratch - from sandbox verdi's "spacey" theme) Where is Verdi's space theme? either way it's still a lot of work you can add hooks to themes - but then if the plugin requires them, you have to use a theme that has the hooks - which is a big downside WORD, jen (i think what i'm saying is right - but i don't know everything about it, so i could be half wrong) Yo, I just added Related Videos 0.1.15 to What's New I wish I had audio so I could talk more in depth...arggghhh! adam, what is your experience adding plugin hooks? here's an example Jay...the recent videos can easily be added as a widget right, but what if a user wants the recent videos across the top or bottom of the theme...then you have to edit the theme header or footer or another page to display it where you want it exactly Jen, this is what i talking about yeah, it seems like you can't get vPIP above the post title right now Aaron Valdez made this mockup: http://lostinlight.org/mock/lil-main.jpg Sorry, I missed that...what about vPIP and themes? what I'm proposing with theme creation is to make themes available that already have these modified pages right, that's good example of simple modification Enric, can't get vPIP out of the standard post order (easily) right now another possibility: a SIAB plugin could add what we need to almost any theme that's true Jen, but I think we should make themes that are "extra special" for video producers cheryl, not sure what you mean...sorry or maybe we just create tutorials that show you how to hack a theme? I guess I should stay here and pay attention I want the vPIP div to come out above the post title - can't get there yet is that a hook? right Verdi a plugin could add the php Oh...well, that's not easy since a post is the structure of wordpress OH - then ignore everything I just said. I do that all the time! asjkldfl;k You would probably need to set up a custom theme that allows tayt tht that like the Structure theme has built in support for the Related Posts plugin.... enric, yeah, I know it's in WP structure, but we need the ability to fix it - I don't currently know how I use the recent videos above eavh of my video posts... I had to add the php. http://mikemoon.net/vlog/2008/02/23/day-off/ Probably need to create a theme from scratch that supports that, Cheryl A widget would be better.. I was nervous OH yeah - I blow off the sidebar widgets all the time. In fact, frquently I erase the code that drives the sidebar wdigets to disable them. exactly - but it would be helpful to have some info on how, which part needs to be modified http://showinabox.pbwiki.com/mockups but enric, that's the plan - to make a custom theme that will support that Cheryl: Yes, it would be useful. I wouldn't know since I haven't gotten into themes and much into the internal structure of WP yup ooo Jay, I have some expensive tastes! I meant - YOU have some expensive tastes - so I think what I'm hearing is two-fold....themes that already include code hooks for video related plugins and then also tutorials on hacking ANY theme to place plugin capability where you want it it makes awesome sense, it's just that each theme like that is 3 weeks of work that's true Jen... yes Adam, but I think the ready-made themes need to come first ABSOULTELY - I just can't give away so much of that for free. no one wants you to give anyting away you're right then...tutorials on how to hack your theme to use video related tutorials is first consider me taking the lead on those tutorials...:) a marketplace could easily grow out of a theme garden right, markus, i think if we lay out these ideas for the video themes..we can raise money fot each one I think one of the reasons we keep seeing the same blog-shaped theme over and over and over again (like 80% of all WP themes) - is that changing the shape and such takes a lot. I like what Eric's done ;) that's true Jen Most WP themes are basically the same theme, with the graphics changed out - or the sidebar gets swaped to the other side i agree...this is a big job. But its what will make SIAB revolutionary I agree with that Jay! Yes - it will. im just glad to hear it is possible good idea Milt... And the $$ will flow from that. yeah, Jen. it does take a lot. Adam, are you willing to help me learn moving some parts of wordpress around? like Jen, if I can understand HOW, I can do it multiple times and multiple ways right...i think we can raise money for these themes....but it wont be HUGE! but I need an initial boost of assistance, because finding it in the WP codex is a royal pain sure Cheryl, as long as you can help with any css questions I might have;) hopefuly we see that jobs will come from this work yeah, once we crack the first one or two, we can make many themes from that one or two by changing out the graphics id love to hear how much money people would need absolutely, Adam - we could work together ah notes yeah, Enric, that would be Adam, my new hero!! I should be meeting some such people at Wordcamp Dallas that b me :) don't give me too much credit Cheryl, I've been hacking WP for years, but only now am creating my first theme ;) but average joe users will be lost in Drupal like me - like what is Drupal??????????????? *I* will be lost in Drupal Cheryl, I will email you about this... bless your heart! (adam) EXCELLENT POINT Enric weakness #1 - licensing issues but there's still money in a non-profit yeah - i'm agreeing with this can haz grant writer? yes Mike! exactly that's what my first thought was when i saw it too... what we need to do is get pledge drive going on the site!! We've been saying "we aren't a business" -- but then, we are limited in what we can do because of limits in time. Mike - yeah, we can't install/activate plugins for you. Joe user needs to learn how to use plugins if he wants to use WordPress If we had more funding.... things could move faster. Yes JEn Markus looks comfortable Wordpress is open source, yet they have a staff....... open source doesn't mean no staff / no money. at some point, people need to talk numbers totally Markus *does* look comfortable nobody's expecting big paychecks (at least I don't think they are) but it is hard for me to take time off freelancing to work on themes, money could make that easier I will be working on two things...tutorials for hacking themes and then a video specific theme (and offer a variety of color layouts, etc..) yeah yeah excellent adam (I mean yes yes / in a good way) understood. would $2000 help? I think we just have to be patient with each other and understand when the process takes time.... Why not go for a new media grant? are you asking me, jay? whoever Yep grants take time to write, lots of time Milt: new media grant? and you might not eve get it I find that grants are too long a process yes there's money out there for the the whole new media thing though i know you, Milt, have had successs...so maybe you could help with a grant if I teach one less class, I lose $250 every two weeks for 16 weeks. $2000 would replace that loss and allow me more time to work on something. good thought Enric... Grants take time, but grants are awesome. I mean, what would this conversation be like if we had $100,000 in the bank for hiring people over the next 12 months. so we need you to go find those people NEVER that only way! Ry, not the underserved populations, but the public tv money people, right? The problem with the grant-funded world is when people change what they are doing to "please" the grant funders. Let's NOT do that! that's so true Milt, and from my freelance work, sometimes it's hard for me to include all the benefits associated with WP, everything you can do, etc. And then, that turns into teaching them about marketing... yeah, jen, we won't do that - milt had a good post about that exact thing recently I totally agree Jen - we should not go for funds from people who have their own agenda. That sounds pretty cool, Jay money is tricky making a video specific theme available and then promoting that to video producers would certainly help make a name for SIAB Yes adam hey Ze Nuno good thought Zenuno thats a good point Ze Nuno totally! we all need to find out own motives for woring on SIAB AGREE RY totally the blogs I created in the past helped me get my current web developer position:) if people need money for certian tasks...then lets talk numbers yeah. its much more easy for each one to take that with you. it adds to each one on the team. and its much easier than build it in a group way. im totally down for paying people for good work yeah!! lets just be realistic about what kind of money we can raise Jen: I'm in, and I think Cheryl too...so let me propose this... I will set up a dev area for the three of us (and anybody else) how's that? I would be happy to take the lead and organize this... excellent adam yes Adam, what kind of developement space are you thinking of? Jen, can I get your email? add me in ADAM jensimmons@gmail.com I will set up an install in a subdirectory of my http://wordpressmodder.org site and set you two up as users I'll be going to Wordpresscamp Dallas at the end of March - and many wordpress.org developers will be there we can then coordinate with mockups, css, layout, etc... I think Jay, that we are some of the most qualified people to do this. cool....then we need to lay out details, timelines, and costs We may need some wordpress core geeks to help us out when we get stuck, but I don't want to spend time tryingt o explain what a video theme should look like / can be etc. We are the experts on this! hahha i think we're all clear we arent a fulltime organization.... good thought Jen, we can do this! but like enric says, its good to borrow organizing tips from businesses about time and me: i have been unfortunately with lots of work now, i have to confess that i even haven't been reading the list discussions. i will next try to install the forum on semanal and later on i hope to have more time for showinabox also of course, we can go out for core hacker help if need be;) cool Ze Nuno, paid work always comes first Jay's famous qoute;) because you busy, boy! priorities! The other thing that I think I can do more than anything else is to create the video that introduces folks to SIAB agreed...an intro video would be good very helpful this is a good idea Enric good thought Enric, I need that organization and I think that we're on the right track with theme creation now cool, jay & adam good thoughts Cheryl thanks for that me no filter Yes, we have! I think of it as breaking down this big picture of siab into specific smaller tasks...that's what works for me;) http://showinabox.pbwiki.com/mockups BTW - is there a blogging event coming up - like a producers event - Pixelon? Hey Bill! hey Hi Bill hi Bill good morning hi Mr. Bill I think we are all just frustrated that we don't have a kick ass / break-through theme yet. ah Jen, but we will....we will...:) yes... we will. we were also frustrated that we didn't have any tutorials yet, but now we are through that wall. i made it so jay doesnt get cut off! bill, youre late. youre fired I'm not sure Jay that a lack of ideas is a problem. Or that a lack of Wordpress knowledge is a problem. ha, Jay please don't fire me, I need the cash!! I think a lack of organization + a way to work together is the problem. then what is the problem? I think we'll compliment each other's skills well Cheryl ah what do you need? Jen - that's probably right true Jen, I'm a bit type A with certain things, so organizing our tasks will be do-able I suspect jen: YES! break it down sister! i think Adam will add a lot since he is technical If we organize a bit before the meeting so we're ready when we meet I think would be good enric, right, a little preorganizing would be good Markus, I will take you up on that YES: YEs Yes YES o noes! time ticks away. here is a theme that I think is really cool, maybe something to get idears from? http://getfreshcut.com/ spring break spring break sounds good Jen, shall we set up that time via the siab list or via personal emails? Cool, Milt! another baby????? hurrah!!!! a human baby? let's set a time via the siab list cool Milt! thats a good idea sounds good, siab list time set up:) great point too that it's helpful us each of us to remember what our priorities are. YES - Lisa is our youngest daughter and she's having a baby in march I'm in on that! congrats! thanks March 10-16 is a good time for me (Spring Break) for a physical meetup FYI - lets talk about it more on siab list sounds good. about php/wordpress eventually i could help, so count me in Congrats, Milt and Lisa! March 101-6 is good for me too. Post SXSW/ i Anybody here coming to SXSW??????? hi streeter! no SXSW for me me either chicago Bill? I'm about three hours away by train:) bill....1 minute looks like current TV bye bye everyone bye all bye everyone. like meeting you all bye!!!! Thanks folks ha ha milt you're funny see you :-)