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<chat personid="0" time="00:32" timestamp="1213171232" jumptime="00:00:00">hi, alev</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="00:43" timestamp="1213171243" jumptime="00:00:00">hello</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:42" timestamp="1213171302" jumptime="00:00:51">i think Alev is still prepearing her stuff</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="04:32" timestamp="1213171472" jumptime="00:03:41">sorry i don&apos;t have camera</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="04:51" timestamp="1213171491" jumptime="00:04:00">hello everybody I can hear you!!</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="04:59" timestamp="1213171499" jumptime="00:04:08">if you want to say smth click start broadcasting</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="05:03" timestamp="1213171503" jumptime="00:04:12">great</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="05:25" timestamp="1213171525" jumptime="00:04:34">Lauri, can you say smth?</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="06:05" timestamp="1213171565" jumptime="00:05:14">sorry i dont even have a mic, sorry :(</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="06:27" timestamp="1213171587" jumptime="00:05:36">but i try to chat with you this time</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="06:35" timestamp="1213171595" jumptime="00:05:44">alev, you have a better web camera then the one you had by the previous flashmeeting with Ambjorn ;) so we can see you better now</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="06:56" timestamp="1213171616" jumptime="00:06:05">still 2 Alev&apos;s </chat>
<chat personid="3" time="07:00" timestamp="1213171620" jumptime="00:06:09">I am temporarily out of my town so this is a bit special case</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="07:19" timestamp="1213171639" jumptime="00:06:28">anyway great that you decided to attend</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="07:27" timestamp="1213171647" jumptime="00:06:36">but can you hear us, Lauri?</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="07:51" timestamp="1213171671" jumptime="00:07:00">yes i can hear and see you very well</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="08:16" timestamp="1213171696" jumptime="00:07:25">I think, if you can hear us, it will be enough to understand, what we are presenting</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="08:18" timestamp="1213171698" jumptime="00:07:27">:)</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="08:20" timestamp="1213171700" jumptime="00:07:29">now  I cant hear</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="08:40" timestamp="1213171720" jumptime="00:07:49">hi, Dominik!!!!</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="09:01" timestamp="1213171741" jumptime="00:08:10">hi to all of you!</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="09:43" timestamp="1213171783" jumptime="00:08:52">Alev, have you heard , what I said just before?</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="09:50" timestamp="1213171790" jumptime="00:08:59">so please can you give the adress where to log on</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="10:30" timestamp="1213171830" jumptime="00:09:39">zina, can you send the address to the VNC server on grek???</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="10:46" timestamp="1213171846" jumptime="00:09:55">address: grek.informatik.rwth-aachen.de:5801</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="10:58" timestamp="1213171858" jumptime="00:10:07">password: pss08</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="11:19" timestamp="1213171879" jumptime="00:10:28"> couldnr</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="11:24" timestamp="1213171884" jumptime="00:10:33">I cannot connect</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="11:37" timestamp="1213171897" jumptime="00:10:46">sorry what about the user name?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="11:52" timestamp="1213171912" jumptime="00:11:01">no user name necessary...</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="12:11" timestamp="1213171931" jumptime="00:11:20">alev, you are online!</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="12:27" timestamp="1213171947" jumptime="00:11:36">ok so i am now connected!!!</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="13:00" timestamp="1213171980" jumptime="00:12:09">@Lauri, greate!</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="13:50" timestamp="1213172030" jumptime="00:12:59">@Dominik but he got a connection to Ambjorn&apos;s desktop</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="14:45" timestamp="1213172085" jumptime="00:13:54">ok</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="14:50" timestamp="1213172090" jumptime="00:13:59">great.</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="14:57" timestamp="1213172097" jumptime="00:14:06"> want to restart my laptop</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="15:14" timestamp="1213172114" jumptime="00:14:23">ok.</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="15:30" timestamp="1213172130" jumptime="00:14:39">sorry i could not  attend earlier this week so what have you been discussing?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="15:33" timestamp="1213172133" jumptime="00:14:42">@Lauri, may be you can start presenting yourself, so all of us can read the information about you!</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="15:41" timestamp="1213172141" jumptime="00:14:50">ok..</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="16:32" timestamp="1213172192" jumptime="00:15:41">so i am phd student here in helsinki.</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="16:56" timestamp="1213172216" jumptime="00:16:05">i am interested in educational technology and especially related to learning difficulties</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="17:10" timestamp="1213172230" jumptime="00:16:19">are computer scientist?</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="17:31" timestamp="1213172251" jumptime="00:16:40">@DOminik Ambjorn used 8080 port</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="17:33" timestamp="1213172253" jumptime="00:16:42">yes comp. science i have also worked as a cs and math teacher at school</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="17:56" timestamp="1213172276" jumptime="00:17:05">i am also focusing now on creative problem solving</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="18:06" timestamp="1213172286" jumptime="00:17:15">@zina... we use port 5801</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="18:10" timestamp="1213172290" jumptime="00:17:19">i see</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="18:19" timestamp="1213172299" jumptime="00:17:28">i love music and hope to join arts with science</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="18:36" timestamp="1213172316" jumptime="00:17:45">Good idea...</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="18:38" timestamp="1213172318" jumptime="00:17:47">;)</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="19:01" timestamp="1213172341" jumptime="00:18:10">i am eagrly waiting ohrid meating</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="19:26" timestamp="1213172366" jumptime="00:18:35">@Lauri! I think you will like our workshop O:-) we are trying to be very innovative :)</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="19:31" timestamp="1213172371" jumptime="00:18:40">i have studied also a bit physics</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="19:43" timestamp="1213172383" jumptime="00:18:52">cognitive science is also fascinateing</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="19:50" timestamp="1213172390" jumptime="00:18:59">nice!</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="19:54" timestamp="1213172394" jumptime="00:19:03">an allrounder so to say...;)</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="19:56" timestamp="1213172396" jumptime="00:19:05">each math person have to know a bit of physics ;)</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="20:07" timestamp="1213172407" jumptime="00:19:16">i would like to make some vervy multidisciiplinary work in my life</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="20:09" timestamp="1213172409" jumptime="00:19:18">no.</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="20:26" timestamp="1213172426" jumptime="00:19:35">sorry all, but we have to wait for Alev, I think</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="20:29" timestamp="1213172429" jumptime="00:19:38">so makin some kind of &quot;universal theory&quot; joining all aspects</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="20:50" timestamp="1213172450" jumptime="00:19:59">in comp. sciece i would like to have more human touch</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="21:07" timestamp="1213172467" jumptime="00:20:16">sounds very perspective!</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="21:32" timestamp="1213172492" jumptime="00:20:41">grek.informatik.rwth-aachen.de:5801</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="21:39" timestamp="1213172499" jumptime="00:20:48">right.</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="21:46" timestamp="1213172506" jumptime="00:20:55">in the answer there is two semicolons</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="22:00" timestamp="1213172520" jumptime="00:21:09">grek.informatik.rwth-aachen.de::5801 cannot be connected</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="22:08" timestamp="1213172528" jumptime="00:21:17">put only one semicolons</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="22:12" timestamp="1213172532" jumptime="00:21:21">might be a typo...</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="22:14" timestamp="1213172534" jumptime="00:21:23"> put only one</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="22:24" timestamp="1213172544" jumptime="00:21:33">the answer comes li</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="22:30" timestamp="1213172550" jumptime="00:21:39">where is the password</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="22:30" timestamp="1213172550" jumptime="00:21:39">i was in a project that tried to develop educational technolgy for autistic children</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="22:35" timestamp="1213172555" jumptime="00:21:44">pss08</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="23:10" timestamp="1213172590" jumptime="00:22:19">firstly you have to enter url and click ok</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="23:40" timestamp="1213172620" jumptime="00:22:49">then you can insert the pwd</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="23:42" timestamp="1213172622" jumptime="00:22:51">windowss</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="24:15" timestamp="1213172655" jumptime="00:23:24">aphasics</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="24:31" timestamp="1213172671" jumptime="00:23:40">that is really great, i think that it is difficul to take care of different needs</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="25:04" timestamp="1213172704" jumptime="00:24:13">alev, how are you?</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="25:18" timestamp="1213172718" jumptime="00:24:27">i think that there are so many ways to approach knowledge that it is hard to find the most optimal ways for each person</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="25:47" timestamp="1213172747" jumptime="00:24:56">you have to start TightVNC server</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="25:52" timestamp="1213172752" jumptime="00:25:01">did you find it possible to combine art and science?</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="25:54" timestamp="1213172754" jumptime="00:25:03">sorry</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="25:58" timestamp="1213172758" jumptime="00:25:07">@zina, no</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="26:00" timestamp="1213172760" jumptime="00:25:09">ok</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="26:02" timestamp="1213172762" jumptime="00:25:11">the server is started...</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="26:02" timestamp="1213172762" jumptime="00:25:11">TightVNC viewer</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="26:09" timestamp="1213172769" jumptime="00:25:18">sorry</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="26:48" timestamp="1213172808" jumptime="00:25:57">and you get a live demo....;)</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="27:24" timestamp="1213172844" jumptime="00:26:33">our approach can be used for art very productively on my point of view</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="27:39" timestamp="1213172859" jumptime="00:26:48">alev, how is it going?</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="27:45" timestamp="1213172865" jumptime="00:26:54">i have also been interested in disabled people, especailly blind peoples communciation</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="28:41" timestamp="1213172921" jumptime="00:27:50">viewer or server??</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="28:46" timestamp="1213172926" jumptime="00:27:55">viewer</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="29:11" timestamp="1213172951" jumptime="00:28:20">thanks , ANNA</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="29:58" timestamp="1213172998" jumptime="00:29:07">i made my masters thesis with a application to read sign in environment</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="30:10" timestamp="1213173010" jumptime="00:29:19">texts</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="30:11" timestamp="1213173011" jumptime="00:29:20">sorry it gives the same message</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="30:33" timestamp="1213173033" jumptime="00:29:42">check your firewall</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="30:55" timestamp="1213173055" jumptime="00:30:04">how can  check the port dominik??</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="31:23" timestamp="1213173083" jumptime="00:30:32">well, that is in most cases the task of the system administrator who maintains blocking rules...</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="31:53" timestamp="1213173113" jumptime="00:31:02">can you contact him and ask him to open the port, at least temporarily?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="34:19" timestamp="1213173259" jumptime="00:33:28">She might be in the admin office right now...</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="34:21" timestamp="1213173261" jumptime="00:33:30">;)</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="34:52" timestamp="1213173292" jumptime="00:34:01">me 2</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="35:02" timestamp="1213173302" jumptime="00:34:11">the image is frozen...?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="35:09" timestamp="1213173309" jumptime="00:34:18">somehow...</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="35:52" timestamp="1213173352" jumptime="00:35:01">alev, how are you</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="36:03" timestamp="1213173363" jumptime="00:35:12">ok waiting the admin </chat>
<chat personid="2" time="36:07" timestamp="1213173367" jumptime="00:35:16">can hear you</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="36:13" timestamp="1213173373" jumptime="00:35:22">great.</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="43:35" timestamp="1213173815" jumptime="00:42:44">i will be short</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="43:46" timestamp="1213173826" jumptime="00:42:55">this sound really great</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="45:04" timestamp="1213173904" jumptime="00:44:13">nice! sorry,that we speak so quickly, but the demo is more important, than everything else ;) episodic knowledge against textual info ;)))</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="45:28" timestamp="1213173928" jumptime="00:44:37">this is very interesting!</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="45:56" timestamp="1213173956" jumptime="00:45:05">the previous address was port number but now this adrres  is not port number !! can it be the problem</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="46:32" timestamp="1213173992" jumptime="00:45:41">port number 5801</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="46:56" timestamp="1213174016" jumptime="00:46:05">alev, as host you should type the whole line: grek.informatik.rwth-aachen.de:5801</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="47:47" timestamp="1213174067" jumptime="00:46:56">130.237.228.208:8080 I mean host number :(</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="47:58" timestamp="1213174078" jumptime="00:47:07">Lauri, can you follow Dominik?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="48:02" timestamp="1213174082" jumptime="00:47:11">no</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="48:09" timestamp="1213174089" jumptime="00:47:18">n o - Alev</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="48:23" timestamp="1213174103" jumptime="00:47:32">put no host number</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="48:27" timestamp="1213174107" jumptime="00:47:36">put the name</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="48:31" timestamp="1213174111" jumptime="00:47:40">the whole line</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="48:38" timestamp="1213174118" jumptime="00:47:47">it is the same</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="50:21" timestamp="1213174221" jumptime="00:49:30">@alev Start TightVNC Viewer, put grek.informatik.rwth-aachen.de:5801 in the &quot;VNC Server&quot; field and choose default connection options, click connect</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="50:33" timestamp="1213174233" jumptime="00:49:42">Viewer</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="50:44" timestamp="1213174244" jumptime="00:49:53">ok</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="50:59" timestamp="1213174259" jumptime="00:50:08">that is what I did previously</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="51:25" timestamp="1213174285" jumptime="00:50:34">what happened then?</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="52:26" timestamp="1213174346" jumptime="00:51:35">connection innita</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="52:39" timestamp="1213174359" jumptime="00:51:48">initiated then says connection failed</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="53:07" timestamp="1213174387" jumptime="00:52:16">did you ask admin to open 5801 port?</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="53:33" timestamp="1213174413" jumptime="00:52:42">can you give the host number instead of name ?!?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="54:11" timestamp="1213174451" jumptime="00:53:20">one second...</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="54:26" timestamp="1213174466" jumptime="00:53:35">137.226.232.183</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="54:36" timestamp="1213174476" jumptime="00:53:45">this was fascinating!</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="54:45" timestamp="1213174485" jumptime="00:53:54">with the port 5801...</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="55:18" timestamp="1213174518" jumptime="00:54:27">137.226.232.183:5801 should be entered by you then...</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="55:27" timestamp="1213174527" jumptime="00:54:36">...in the URL field...</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="55:38" timestamp="1213174538" jumptime="00:54:47">no same result</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="55:44" timestamp="1213174544" jumptime="00:54:53">ok dont worry </chat>
<chat personid="2" time="55:53" timestamp="1213174553" jumptime="00:55:02">sorry ...</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="56:02" timestamp="1213174562" jumptime="00:55:11">sorry for all the complications... remote diagnose is somehow a hard issue...;)</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="56:05" timestamp="1213174565" jumptime="00:55:14">are the modifications of stories stored as a log?</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="56:31" timestamp="1213174591" jumptime="00:55:40">:)</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="56:54" timestamp="1213174614" jumptime="00:56:03">ok</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="57:42" timestamp="1213174662" jumptime="00:56:51">1 minute left....</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="57:57" timestamp="1213174677" jumptime="00:57:06">perhaps i can get a gps phone</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="58:24" timestamp="1213174704" jumptime="00:57:33">bye together</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="58:27" timestamp="1213174707" jumptime="00:57:36">me too </chat>
<chat personid="3" time="58:31" timestamp="1213174711" jumptime="00:57:40">thank you very much it was nice to meet you!!</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="58:32" timestamp="1213174712" jumptime="00:57:41">thanks</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="58:38" timestamp="1213174718" jumptime="00:57:47">see you soon!</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="58:51" timestamp="1213174731" jumptime="00:58:00">10 sec...</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="58:53" timestamp="1213174733" jumptime="00:58:02">please check our workshop site</chat>
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