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<description>Discussing the KMi Compendium System, in the context of concept mapping in professional learning. Alexandra Okada talks about the Compendium Open Source software and its connection to the Open University OpenLearn initiative.</description>
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<keyword>compendium</keyword>
<keyword>concept mapping</keyword>
<keyword>prolearn</keyword>
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<chats>
<chat personid="2" time="09:37" timestamp="1165312777" jumptime="00:00:00">Hi Ambjörn</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="09:44" timestamp="1165312784" jumptime="00:00:00">Hi All</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="10:54" timestamp="1165312854" jumptime="00:00:00">Hello everyone</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="11:32" timestamp="1165312892" jumptime="00:00:16">hi guys!</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="12:40" timestamp="1165312960" jumptime="00:01:24">Hi Margit</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="12:41" timestamp="1165312961" jumptime="00:01:25">Hi Rafael</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="13:35" timestamp="1165313015" jumptime="00:02:19">Hi Katherine</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="13:51" timestamp="1165313031" jumptime="00:02:35">Hi Effie</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="13:56" timestamp="1165313036" jumptime="00:02:40">Great: the sound is good!</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="14:06" timestamp="1165313046" jumptime="00:02:50">Matthias is having some trouble entering</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="14:12" timestamp="1165313052" jumptime="00:02:56">Yes</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="14:13" timestamp="1165313053" jumptime="00:02:57">Yes!!!</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="14:49" timestamp="1165313089" jumptime="00:03:33">Hi Ambjorn!</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="14:52" timestamp="1165313092" jumptime="00:03:36">Hi Kevin! I Haven&apos;t seen you in such a long time!</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="14:56" timestamp="1165313096" jumptime="00:03:40">hi</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="15:06" timestamp="1165313106" jumptime="00:03:50">2.6</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="15:27" timestamp="1165313127" jumptime="00:04:11">like conzilla?</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="15:30" timestamp="1165313130" jumptime="00:04:14">Yes</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="16:41" timestamp="1165313201" jumptime="00:05:25">ok</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="16:42" timestamp="1165313202" jumptime="00:05:26">Fine</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="16:43" timestamp="1165313203" jumptime="00:05:27">ok</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="16:48" timestamp="1165313208" jumptime="00:05:32">great</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="16:48" timestamp="1165313208" jumptime="00:05:32">fine</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="16:52" timestamp="1165313212" jumptime="00:05:36">yepp</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="20:24" timestamp="1165313424" jumptime="00:09:08">yes</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="20:27" timestamp="1165313427" jumptime="00:09:11">fine</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="20:28" timestamp="1165313428" jumptime="00:09:12">yes I am.</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="20:31" timestamp="1165313431" jumptime="00:09:15">yes</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="20:32" timestamp="1165313432" jumptime="00:09:16">yes everything cool</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="20:32" timestamp="1165313432" jumptime="00:09:16">of course</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="21:40" timestamp="1165313500" jumptime="00:10:24">yes</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="21:46" timestamp="1165313506" jumptime="00:10:30">smiles all around</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="21:50" timestamp="1165313510" jumptime="00:10:34">yes</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="21:52" timestamp="1165313512" jumptime="00:10:36">yes</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="22:33" timestamp="1165313553" jumptime="00:11:17">http://labspace.open.ac.uk/mod/resource/view.php?id=18</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="22:48" timestamp="1165313568" jumptime="00:11:32">is the one we are supposed to be looking at (too many windows ;-)</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="22:59" timestamp="1165313579" jumptime="00:11:43">i have 3 open windows now :-)</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="27:04" timestamp="1165313824" jumptime="00:15:48">So the semantics is entirely arbitrary?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="27:19" timestamp="1165313839" jumptime="00:16:03">Nodes and link semantics are context-free...</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="29:32" timestamp="1165313972" jumptime="00:18:16">Mind maps get very complicated, very quickly ...</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="30:21" timestamp="1165314021" jumptime="00:19:05">Maps entail interpretatoin or maybe too open to interpretatoins :-)</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="33:05" timestamp="1165314185" jumptime="00:21:49">You aint signed in Rafael to play with the flashboard</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="33:22" timestamp="1165314202" jumptime="00:22:06">http://kmr.nada.kth.se/wiki/Main/KnowledgeManifolds</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="35:06" timestamp="1165314306" jumptime="00:23:50">yes, this is exactly the question in my mind - added value of Compendium as compared with other similar applications</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="35:27" timestamp="1165314327" jumptime="00:24:11">@Peter I shall get an account for the next time</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="35:41" timestamp="1165314341" jumptime="00:24:25">;-)</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="37:27" timestamp="1165314447" jumptime="00:26:11">context free, i think?</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="38:08" timestamp="1165314488" jumptime="00:26:52">yes there is many applications :-)</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="40:22" timestamp="1165314622" jumptime="00:29:06">I&apos;m not getting the new URL</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="40:38" timestamp="1165314638" jumptime="00:29:22">OK</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="40:45" timestamp="1165314645" jumptime="00:29:29">It doesnt change</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="41:04" timestamp="1165314664" jumptime="00:29:48">ok</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="41:08" timestamp="1165314668" jumptime="00:29:52">http://labspace.open.ac.uk/file.php/1/knowlegde_maps/1165309388/prolearn_example.html</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="41:15" timestamp="1165314675" jumptime="00:29:59">it&apos;s the first URL</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="41:37" timestamp="1165314697" jumptime="00:30:21">so these web maps are created by compendium...</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="42:48" timestamp="1165314768" jumptime="00:31:32">the asterisk</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="42:58" timestamp="1165314778" jumptime="00:31:42">about LOMI seminars</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="43:00" timestamp="1165314780" jumptime="00:31:44">has a rollover</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="45:45" timestamp="1165314945" jumptime="00:34:29">looks to me as if in the compendium view like there is no real distinction between content and concept; it looks like concepts are treated as shorthand or annotations of content... </chat>
<chat personid="1" time="46:12" timestamp="1165314972" jumptime="00:34:56">flexible but hard to determine semantics; as you can do anything right</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="46:19" timestamp="1165314979" jumptime="00:35:03">concepts are placeholders for the content?</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="46:40" timestamp="1165315000" jumptime="00:35:24">contents instanitate concepts?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="46:58" timestamp="1165315018" jumptime="00:35:42">yeah, kinda structural/visual/abstracted annotations...</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="47:05" timestamp="1165315025" jumptime="00:35:49">@ Effie this would also reflect my understanding of concepts</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="47:11" timestamp="1165315031" jumptime="00:35:55">not so sure if this is meant here</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="47:37" timestamp="1165315057" jumptime="00:36:21">me either ;-)</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="47:44" timestamp="1165315064" jumptime="00:36:28">No, we are talking about conceptual guidelines</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="48:01" timestamp="1165315081" jumptime="00:36:45">for constructing maps</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="49:56" timestamp="1165315196" jumptime="00:38:40">So, I think you do have lots of different style guidelines</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="50:18" timestamp="1165315218" jumptime="00:39:02">Is this perhaps the templates in Compendium?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="50:29" timestamp="1165315229" jumptime="00:39:13">but none, I think are enforced in any Compendium template...</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="51:02" timestamp="1165315262" jumptime="00:39:46">ambjorn, very good description between the three constructs indeed</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="51:04" timestamp="1165315264" jumptime="00:39:48">so (i think) this is not such a hard boundary in compendium</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="51:26" timestamp="1165315286" jumptime="00:40:10">I doen&apos;t seem so</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="52:12" timestamp="1165315332" jumptime="00:40:56">What is the underlying technology?</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="52:32" timestamp="1165315352" jumptime="00:41:16">Java + DBs + Jabber + ...</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="52:43" timestamp="1165315363" jumptime="00:41:27">Can you introduce different types of arrows?</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="53:09" timestamp="1165315389" jumptime="00:41:53">What about your own types?</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="53:11" timestamp="1165315391" jumptime="00:41:55">Arrow styles?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="53:14" timestamp="1165315394" jumptime="00:41:58">Arrows are also typed</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="53:19" timestamp="1165315399" jumptime="00:42:03">likes stylesheeted?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="53:27" timestamp="1165315407" jumptime="00:42:11">but arbitrary, i think?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="53:51" timestamp="1165315431" jumptime="00:42:35">They are objects too (yeah, they an be annotated)</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="54:04" timestamp="1165315444" jumptime="00:42:48">Yes, that would be interesting.</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="54:21" timestamp="1165315461" jumptime="00:43:05">yes</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="55:38" timestamp="1165315538" jumptime="00:44:22">lots of windows ;-)</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="56:00" timestamp="1165315560" jumptime="00:44:44">Root url is http://kmi.open.ac.uk/projects/osc/compendium</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="56:09" timestamp="1165315569" jumptime="00:44:53">then amap for argument map</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="56:14" timestamp="1165315574" jumptime="00:44:58">ok</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="56:17" timestamp="1165315577" jumptime="00:45:01">mmap for miind map etc</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="57:10" timestamp="1165315630" jumptime="00:45:54">SO... you can easily publish these visual annotation maps... how about sharing them more actively as part of communication</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="57:48" timestamp="1165315668" jumptime="00:46:32">Betting on *isa* ;-)</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="57:58" timestamp="1165315678" jumptime="00:46:42">or &quot;part of&quot;</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="58:03" timestamp="1165315683" jumptime="00:46:47">heh, heh</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="58:51" timestamp="1165315731" jumptime="00:47:35">Peter, we don&apos;t have access to the compendium link.</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="59:22" timestamp="1165315762" jumptime="00:48:06">on the prolearn website?!</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="59:59" timestamp="1165315799" jumptime="00:48:43">Is there support in Compendium for these recomended description labels depending on map type?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:03:01" timestamp="1165315981" jumptime="00:51:45">no</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="01:03:15" timestamp="1165315995" jumptime="00:51:59">Ok, I will do that.</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:03:29" timestamp="1165316009" jumptime="00:52:13">I think not; but not impossible in futre</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:03:35" timestamp="1165316015" jumptime="00:52:19">BIG aspect is sharing</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:03:41" timestamp="1165316021" jumptime="00:52:25">This is a key issue</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:03:55" timestamp="1165316035" jumptime="00:52:39">To break the &quot;isolated island&quot;</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:03:57" timestamp="1165316037" jumptime="00:52:41">wanna talk about sharing aspect in labspace, Ale?</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:05:26" timestamp="1165316126" jumptime="00:54:10">Can&apos;t see the flashboard</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:06:09" timestamp="1165316169" jumptime="00:54:53">see it now</chat>
<chat personid="0" time="01:06:27" timestamp="1165316187" jumptime="00:55:11">http://labspace.open.ac.uk/blocks/compendium/browsemaps.php?id=1</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:06:57" timestamp="1165316217" jumptime="00:55:41">link works</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:06:58" timestamp="1165316218" jumptime="00:55:42">sorry have to go to a meeting.. great to see everyone, very interesting presentation</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:07:07" timestamp="1165316227" jumptime="00:55:51">bye everyone</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:07:24" timestamp="1165316244" jumptime="00:56:08">Once you register you can dowload, mess around with then upload</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:08:40" timestamp="1165316320" jumptime="00:57:24">yes</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:10:19" timestamp="1165316419" jumptime="00:59:03">sort of versioning</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:10:21" timestamp="1165316421" jumptime="00:59:05">control</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:10:36" timestamp="1165316436" jumptime="00:59:20">Are they layered then?</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:10:47" timestamp="1165316447" jumptime="00:59:31">So that you can see the evolution?</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:12:33" timestamp="1165316553" jumptime="01:01:17">thank you for your interesting presentation</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:12:45" timestamp="1165316565" jumptime="01:01:29">Absolutely</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="01:12:48" timestamp="1165316568" jumptime="01:01:32">Thanks, it was very informative</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:13:10" timestamp="1165316590" jumptime="01:01:54">Excellent</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:13:25" timestamp="1165316605" jumptime="01:02:09">Thanks a lot for this interesting presentation!</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="01:14:04" timestamp="1165316644" jumptime="01:02:48">Thanks for the presentation!!</chat>
<chat personid="8" time="01:14:06" timestamp="1165316646" jumptime="01:02:48">bye</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="01:14:07" timestamp="1165316647" jumptime="01:02:48">Bye!!</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:14:08" timestamp="1165316648" jumptime="01:02:48">Bye everyone!</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:14:11" timestamp="1165316651" jumptime="01:02:48">Bye bye!</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="01:14:12" timestamp="1165316652" jumptime="01:02:48">bye!</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="01:14:13" timestamp="1165316653" jumptime="01:02:48">bye</chat>
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