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<description>Historic HomeWorks</description>
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<keyword>brush</keyword>
<keyword>brushes</keyword>
<keyword>gator grit</keyword>
<keyword>historic homeworks</keyword>
<keyword>paint</keyword>
<keyword>paint brush</keyword>
<keyword>paint brushes</keyword>
<keyword>paint eater</keyword>
<keyword>paint removal</keyword>
<keyword>painting</keyword>
<keyword>painting window sash</keyword>
<keyword>removal</keyword>
<keyword>sash</keyword>
<keyword>shellac</keyword>
<keyword>shellac on window sash</keyword>
<keyword>wagner</keyword>
<keyword>wagner paint eater</keyword>
<keyword>window</keyword>
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<chat personid="2" time="47:27" timestamp="1178666265" jumptime="00:16:54">hi Bob, we&apos;re in North Carolina.  Where are you?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="47:41" timestamp="1178666279" jumptime="00:17:08">In Michigan</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="48:24" timestamp="1178666322" jumptime="00:17:51">We have friends who are restoring a housein Bloomingdale</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="48:54" timestamp="1178666352" jumptime="00:18:21">NO</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="49:09" timestamp="1178666367" jumptime="00:18:36">He has a sense of humor</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="49:10" timestamp="1178666368" jumptime="00:18:37">No, It&apos;s not mee</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="49:16" timestamp="1178666374" jumptime="00:18:43">LOL.  Ralph</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="49:49" timestamp="1178666407" jumptime="00:19:16">Hi, having connection &quot;issues&quot; tonight - had to revert back to dialup</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="50:39" timestamp="1178666457" jumptime="00:20:06">Where is Bloomingdale?</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="50:45" timestamp="1178666463" jumptime="00:20:12">I think I need to logout to turn off the video - I&apos;ll go out and come back in</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="51:11" timestamp="1178666489" jumptime="00:20:38">Best we know is about twenty miles from the lake and 2 hours from Chicago</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="52:46" timestamp="1178666584" jumptime="00:22:13">I&apos;m getting back to doing my windows, and have been wondering whether i should use oil base instead of latex paint for the sashes</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="53:24" timestamp="1178666622" jumptime="00:22:51">By the lake I guess you mean lake Michigan, if so that is the other side of the state from me.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="53:26" timestamp="1178666624" jumptime="00:22:53">The thought is that the oil paint would dry harder, so better for moving parts</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="55:52" timestamp="1178666770" jumptime="00:25:19">I guess you can&apos;t hear my microphone</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="56:13" timestamp="1178666791" jumptime="00:25:40">We can&apos;t hear your microphone</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="58:19" timestamp="1178666917" jumptime="00:27:46">I can, but it&apos;s choppy - maybe because of my slow connection</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:00:49" timestamp="1178667067" jumptime="00:30:16">So what happened behind John&apos;s barn ? :-)</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:01:40" timestamp="1178667118" jumptime="00:31:07">It looks like he stripped and painted one-third of one exterior wall</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:02:05" timestamp="1178667143" jumptime="00:31:32">Ah.  Is he using steam for the stripping?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:02:37" timestamp="1178667175" jumptime="00:32:04">He did not say, or if he did his connection cut out</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:02:49" timestamp="1178667187" jumptime="00:32:16">All&apos;s we know right now is that the paint was completely stripped.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:03:01" timestamp="1178667199" jumptime="00:32:28">I see.  </chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:03:15" timestamp="1178667213" jumptime="00:32:42">How have you been?  Haven&apos;t talked to you in a few weeks, I missed the last conference</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:03:32" timestamp="1178667230" jumptime="00:32:59">Some of the steam stripping footage I recall was on that stretch of the barn</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:04:25" timestamp="1178667283" jumptime="00:33:52">We haven&apos;t participated in three or four weeks.  We took some time for landscaping and gardening...</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:04:53" timestamp="1178667311" jumptime="00:34:20">I missed the last couple of months due to work committments</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:05:20" timestamp="1178667338" jumptime="00:34:47">Sounds like fun.  We just redid all the landscaping at our church last Saturday - me and 80 of my closest personal friends :-)</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:05:36" timestamp="1178667354" jumptime="00:35:03">How did your landscaping turn out?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:05:56" timestamp="1178667374" jumptime="00:35:23">Bob, how is your work going?  Guess it let up a bit?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:07:09" timestamp="1178667447" jumptime="00:36:36">It was more of a scheduling conflict, meeting seheduled for same evenings as the confrence.  This week worked out, but that may change for the next confrence, I hope not.</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:08:00" timestamp="1178667498" jumptime="00:37:27">We are recovering a yard neglected for several years.  We added a tree and spread a lot of mulch.  Our vegetable garden is doing great.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:08:43" timestamp="1178667541" jumptime="00:38:10">Bob, if there is a better time or night, maybe we could change the schedule?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:08:56" timestamp="1178667554" jumptime="00:38:23">Thanks, that reminds me that next week is time to plant the vegetable garden here.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:09:10" timestamp="1178667568" jumptime="00:38:37">We talk about planting vegetables every year, but so far, too many other things higher on the priority list</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:09:24" timestamp="1178667582" jumptime="00:38:51">No time for tomato?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:10:03" timestamp="1178667621" jumptime="00:39:30">No, my evening schedule varies week to week, but I&apos;m commited to a Tuesday evening meeting on the last Tuesday of every month.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:10:13" timestamp="1178667631" jumptime="00:39:40">Combination of time and figuring out where to put it.  We are having the basement water/foundation issues, so soon will be digging a lot</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:11:04" timestamp="1178667682" jumptime="00:40:31">Remind us where you are, Ralph</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:11:15" timestamp="1178667693" jumptime="00:40:42">Western Pennsylvania</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:11:53" timestamp="1178667731" jumptime="00:41:20">We visited Pittsburgh many times from WVa.  </chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:12:21" timestamp="1178667759" jumptime="00:41:48">Ralph, did you ever find out what is causing your basement crack?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:12:24" timestamp="1178667762" jumptime="00:41:51">I&apos;m near there</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:13:17" timestamp="1178667815" jumptime="00:42:44">Not really.  I think I am going to dig up that corner to see if the footer is really cracked or not.  My suspicious is that it is either the roots of bushes that were there, or the drain tile for the downspout is leaking underground</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:14:56" timestamp="1178667914" jumptime="00:44:23">That sounds like a good plan, it is likely a water problem either way, with the roots damageing the drain tile, or it failing on it&apos;s own.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:15:41" timestamp="1178667959" jumptime="00:45:08">My fear is that I&apos;ll fix the problem, and then it will stabilize with the crack &quot;wide&quot; rather than &quot;narrow&quot;.  Still, if it&apos;s stable, I can deal with it</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:16:26" timestamp="1178668004" jumptime="00:45:53">That&apos;s true if it stops moving then at least it won&apos;t crack any more.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:17:06" timestamp="1178668044" jumptime="00:46:33">John, could you please explain again about the margins on the sashes?  Would shellac or something like that be a good choice, something that dries to a hard finish?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:17:59" timestamp="1178668097" jumptime="00:47:26">Bob, hadn&apos;t thought about the roots clogging the drain tile - that makes a lot of sense, especially since it&apos;s the old terra cotta that doesn&apos;t really have tight joints</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:18:59" timestamp="1178668157" jumptime="00:48:26">Looks like we lost John again, my thought would be shellac would not be water resistant enough for the window margins.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:20:55" timestamp="1178668273" jumptime="00:50:22">I probably shouldn&apos;t tell you how I mix my shellac - you might cringe</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:21:33" timestamp="1178668311" jumptime="00:51:00">My typing is slowed, because I&apos; m mixing some as we are in confrence</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:22:19" timestamp="1178668357" jumptime="00:51:46">does the wiping off work with latex paint, too, or just oil based paint?</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:22:27" timestamp="1178668365" jumptime="00:51:54">What are margins?</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:24:07" timestamp="1178668465" jumptime="00:53:34">Where the stile meets the jamb?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:24:20" timestamp="1178668478" jumptime="00:53:47">guess I am not the only one with connection problems tonight</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:24:48" timestamp="1178668506" jumptime="00:54:15">I think he means the part of the window that moves in the window jamb (sieds)</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:24:57" timestamp="1178668515" jumptime="00:54:24">sorry - sides</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:25:20" timestamp="1178668538" jumptime="00:54:47">The little strip on the side that rubs when you move the sash up and down</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:25:54" timestamp="1178668572" jumptime="00:55:21">Now we&apos;re up to speed.  Thanks.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:33:22" timestamp="1178669020" jumptime="01:02:49">I assume you are clicking the &quot;images&quot; tab in flashboard?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:35:08" timestamp="1178669126" jumptime="01:04:35">I don&apos;t see the image</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:36:24" timestamp="1178669202" jumptime="01:05:51">each time you click &quot;snaps&quot; it takes a snapshot, and then you can switch between those snapshots</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:36:39" timestamp="1178669217" jumptime="01:06:06">there it is - maybe just took a while to load</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:41:39" timestamp="1178669517" jumptime="01:11:06">Too much pixellation</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:43:07" timestamp="1178669605" jumptime="01:12:34">way to go, Ralph?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:44:13" timestamp="1178669671" jumptime="01:13:40">It&apos;s weird that you have to be transmitting to post a url</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:44:15" timestamp="1178669673" jumptime="01:13:42">http://www.gatorgrit.com/productpower.htm</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:47:25" timestamp="1178669863" jumptime="01:16:52">We&apos;re happy with Tuesday</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:47:30" timestamp="1178669868" jumptime="01:16:57">Tuesday is good for me, earlier would be better for me, but 7 PM is OK</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:48:31" timestamp="1178669929" jumptime="01:17:58">Good for us</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:48:40" timestamp="1178669938" jumptime="01:18:07">Good for me also</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:49:41" timestamp="1178669999" jumptime="01:19:08">if we do 5/22, 2 weeks from tonight , we will miss the last Tuesday (5/29)</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:50:43" timestamp="1178670061" jumptime="01:20:10">What brush should we buy for house painting -- maybe next time?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:51:05" timestamp="1178670083" jumptime="01:20:32">Type or brand?</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:52:02" timestamp="1178670140" jumptime="01:21:29">We need all the info we can get.  If there is a most excellent brand, we would like to know that too.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:52:40" timestamp="1178670178" jumptime="01:22:07">For clapboards, I use a 4&quot; natural bristle brush, and a sash brush for trim</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:53:13" timestamp="1178670211" jumptime="01:22:40">A good brush will last forever, if you take care of it - so it&apos;s worthy buying good brushes.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:53:40" timestamp="1178670238" jumptime="01:23:07">BTW, DH hand cleaner works well to get out dried oil based paint and primer from the brush.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:53:56" timestamp="1178670254" jumptime="01:23:23">I clean with thinner, then DH hand cleaner, then soap and water</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:54:24" timestamp="1178670282" jumptime="01:23:51">Our neighbor recommends Goop hand cleaner...</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:54:41" timestamp="1178670299" jumptime="01:24:08">John, what materials do you prefer for which materials?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:54:47" timestamp="1178670305" jumptime="01:24:14">I agree with Ralph about a good quality brush lasting forever.  For oil based paint use a good black natural bristle.  For latex use 100% nylon.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:54:54" timestamp="1178670312" jumptime="01:24:21">Goop is probably similar stuff</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:55:15" timestamp="1178670333" jumptime="01:24:42">what about polyester(?) brushes</chat>
<chat personid="2" time="01:55:32" timestamp="1178670350" jumptime="01:24:59">Thanks to all.  Buy them at big box or paint store?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:55:40" timestamp="1178670358" jumptime="01:25:07">For cleaning i just use mineral spirits and a brush comb with oil based.  I also use a brush spinner</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:56:45" timestamp="1178670423" jumptime="01:26:12">Ralph, I prefer the nylon to the nylon/polyseter blends, but they do work well in a pinch.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:56:46" timestamp="1178670424" jumptime="01:26:13">the hand cleaner seems to keep the brushes softer than just using thinner - or maybe I&apos;m not getting it clean enough with the thinner</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:57:38" timestamp="1178670476" jumptime="01:27:05">After I clean and spin I put a little solvent back in the brush, prior to wraping it up.</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:58:09" timestamp="1178670507" jumptime="01:27:36">DH hand cleaner - the white and blue &quot;tubs&quot; they sell in auto parts store</chat>
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