http://fm.ea-tel.eu/flashmedia/flashmeeting/fm7446_39331f-7446 http://fm.ea-tel.eu/fm/memo.php?pwd=39331f-7446 http://fm.ea-tel.eu/public videoblogging 0:7903:0 9:7846:0 22:3444:1 3445:6597:0 6598:8094:1 285:1066:0 1100:4466:0 4765:7906:0 471:962:0 978:1006:0 1024:1091:0 1175:3496:0 3540:5226:0 5253:6259:0 7175:7916:0 506:7597:0 1640:7280:0 2237:7307:0 3690:6508:0 4416:8282:0 5633:8240:0 8271:8939:0 hello Hey can hear you just fine brb Nice! brb i'm back i was running around i'm going to plug in a camera What do you like about "Heroes"? john do you heat the entire house with wood There ya go, girl. Okay That's the best possible SNAFU brb here here! http://fauxpress.blogspot.com/2007/02/michael-verdi-speaks-to-state-of.html john do you heat the entire house with wood? Hey Enric Hey, David But I've trained my eye not to "see" those ads "around" stuff. Yes Galacticast sponsorship: http://www.galacticast.com/support/sponsor/ audio good, david how's mine, Jan? you're relatively low, Adam i'll adjust. :) thanks! Yeah - I get "favor to blip" what, condoms? Hello Duncan hello all yeah - I don't have ads on any work that I've done because it's not been enough $. I dont want to "sell out" for $30. Hey! Duncan :) hey jan! i thought you might be here for the ad discussion! Has anyone donated yet? :) I love that you took down your ads! LOL "Pay More!" hi duncan hi rod I think in some ways being ad-free is a powerful thing in a space where lots of sites are all about ads ads ads ads ads. sell everything, buy fish it's something "we" the little guy have "over" the big media corps. i missed the beginning of this discussion only if I had $ to have time to solicit advertisers but i still like the idea of paying for content rather than content being supported by adverts which itself is a big job duncan are you coming to nd? and using same as we speak! wrapped in projects here right now, so haven't done any more itenarary planning Yes, Duncan we're talking about whether adveritising within video is necessary on the net coffee maybe? ;) i was just gonna say... jan gave me a webcam, so i'm bringing her a present when i come over next month ah...the pay it forward approach yeah - one of the biggest reasons I want $$ to make films / art / videoblog content is so that I can hire people to work on them with me and when I'm part of a community where people are working on my projects with me, without needing to get paid -- then I'm all set! which is awesome. I'm greedy Jen. I want money from my videos so I can pay my mortgage and feed my family ;) that's exactly what you've GOT now jen... :) *chuckle* at some point, though, I do trade with so many people I don't have time to do any work for cash -- it's all trade. and my landlord and utility company and the peopl with the clothes I want to buy.... they want cash money. Yes all good sounds good you suck, duncan :) so I HAVE to make money. I have to. xoxox and I make money by charging money for my services. and so do my artist friends.... thus their need to get paid. yeah !!! soundscapes whoot you make..........*sound*....beautiful woderful SOUND! (you must not live in the U.S. ;-) wonderful too (He's a Brit) govt funding..... we wouldn't be having this conversation if the arts funding hadn't been decimated in teh U.S. by the christian right's lobbying ?? Give up your cable and sent $50 / month to various vloggers I don't want government $ no way jen..it's duncan from 29fragiledays I'm an artist too - almost fulltime don't worry jen.. arts funding is still tough over here! and won't compromise what I must / need to do to "buy" eyes for $ i get mine second hand i.e. galleries and community project get the funding, then they commission me to do 'stuff' 29 fragile days.... yum. yeah- yum :) 29fragiledays RIP, now thedelicatemuseum oh damn - that's right - how are you feeling???? Sorry to hear about that, David...you seem well now. No, Camel cigarettes david - what's your url? davidhowellstudios.com he..yes...that's me :) not a worry. it's a wake up call fo rme that is I saw that! Jay dancing yes, it is it's different for different people each time- depending on if you are a bit behind the stream or not http://www.momentshowing.net/momentshowing/2005/03/video_a_videobl.html there that worked jan yup! oh man.. the video is called videoblog circa 2006! Like "1984" visionary. The personal filter tho is something I kinda like So maybe I could trade doing vlogs for my real estate magnate landlord? but advertisers won't like that because people who aggregate the videos wont get the ads? hello good people hey scott hello scott Howdy, Scott. enric looked liked he just climbed out of the box cat videos people love those I shit you not LOL I loved the piano-playing cat - did you see that? My sphynx videos are my most watched. It makes me wanna puke sometimes I havent seen the piano playing cat I MUST MAKE MORE CAT VIDEOS! ooops....caps lock sorry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ860P4iTaM This is an amazing cat video. Beyond cute. Beyond Puuurfict. that statement seemed as though it should have been SHOUTED, David. ;) k mine? err...I think mine the one in all CAPS abouve, ;) Millions / edisode $1.99 on iTunes i just saw this for the first time today - a way for us to sell per download w/o getting chosen for the iTunes $ store https://www.payloadz.com/ Movies are more expensive than episodes Shows make much more on iTunes per viewer than on TV broadcast Geo-specific vlogs *gasp* Limewire! I buy from eMusic which is without DRM It'll never happen unless it's just like TV, selling vlogs does anyone know of a services like PayLoadz that let's us sell per download? that sounds like a good model, Duncan - users pay per download but will they be inclined to pay for something without first knowing about it and having seen it first? Video portraits of families / reunions sounds like ze frank, pre-the-show days. Not unless I can do what I want with the video oh shit, i'v just found a big flaw in my model you wanna buy one? ;) at current exchange rate that sucks :( $3 deal How about a trade? i got a two-minute clip from Akihabara for you... LOL keep the fuckin cat! and that! Do a dozen cat portraits and you've done 'em all, no? how about cat's playing poker? LOL strip poker? or for cats i guess get clothed poker You're an artist man. 3 cheers for integrity!! Hip, hip, hooray!! hi hey randy jan oh crap...you just gave me an idea for a video so we talk aubot vlogger con? brb and there is no way in hell that I am going to make any money from it either pleanty of avenues to get paid soul sucking. I love that i rembrer that 2 years ago? sorta like sub contracting yeah 2 years no worries :) i havent watchecd any videos in a while good just a side gig we make the greatse home movies you can sell training videos dudduduuto mumunum hi all. I'm back. I needed a break from this topic. It's so fucking depressing. Debating the ability to make enough money to pay the bills vs. fucking up our own work with yukky ads god i hear that oh good cat portraits WA? LOL bull no, cats.. no way. I'd rather have an ice pick in the eye NO WAY!!! NO WAY!!! oh god... paintings as real art = value vs. video / digital bits as no value... the video itself can be art this is just as depressing that is depressing john, i agree with jen he sold his sould for Rock & Roll!! a bit soft very quiet randy step a little closer to the mic Randy I can hear you though yes, better better...but went back down. people are buying the shelves. not the experience of having people cutting up lumber in their house. unless they are curators in a gallery! then maybe they're paying for the cutting lumber performance ! ;) now that's art i get paid to make performances.. when i do that i'm not selling my soul sorry ignore that then haha i've always wanted to try and make self contained video screens this discussion is just go fucking american. a discussion of communicating with an audience = $$ / selling / "soul selling".... yuk yuk yuk so you're selling the experience to sell like photographic prints i create work to share. yes. yes yes yes that's not necc. only about an exchange of economy.. blah blah so lets talk aubot vlogger con even when $$ is involved, why is it we are talking about the relationship like we are a bunch of economists. no money, no honey hey, i started that company in 1999 lasted 15 min so who whants to go to vlogger con cool sorry Randy, too far to travel from Tokyo to go to vloggercon? Are you going?? want to sell your soul sell crack selling vidoe is just work you mean Vlogstock? haha] so...shareware then vlogstock ? i so wanted to take credit for it LOL screw it. I'm moving to England and working on this video wall art/painting with Duncan. i wanna see this work you are making... You did somethign like that...I am sure...the strips thing kinda like video miniatures, sounds like a mini dvd player small screeen though ah...true ipod? resolution issue yep the platters Minnesota midwest the moving parts in the ipod maybe John could build one out of wood in his shop? he's 15 min from the Crow River Coffee Company the drive north almost Canada yes.. SD cards are better is there a train from chicago to minnesota? ok i'm there then 45 min flight no i'm train all the way more like 8 hours :) eco travel! :) chicago traffic Amtrak too bad we wont have vlogger con this year randy :-( randy wants to talk about vloggercon 2500 month there not Vloggercon was the other subject I was thinking of bringing up...but it seems like maybe too much to cover in one meeting. they'll come to you if they want your stuff won't they?? they might Scott. How would they find you though? they based it on number of cat videos in archive if yuor video gets a average of 2000 your worth money lol ryan jay and bill all had them ;) keep putting it out as long as you enjoy, hope for the best "those damn cats" - My next vlog show They may be... hi, everyone! which rod are you? ha..! sock it to em enric im going to make vlogger con in boston 'they're just boring' .. love it So...Salvage and Wreck offbeat kinda stuff? that's always the way though i guess its all aubot content if your good you will rise to the top or, hire an agent audio low, randy you are too quiet can you do it as the StickMan character, Enric?? put a human face on it damn right hanning out drinking and sinning i was with the groop who started the first one was in nyc jay did that slomo did it last year ill do it this year oh dear nobody is planing it how are you doing that?? we made 20000 last one its not the money he's going to present at vloggercon this year as StickMan on the JumboTron - can't wait what you dont want a coppation like blip sponcering there was sponcers no/.? enric - what's up with your stick man? what is that?? yeah.. less people! would it be possible to get Dave Winer to help organize vloggerCong? i bet this years will be bigger you mean the 'secret' video screen project ;) he invented the un-conference it got a lot easyer in the last 3 years i wanna know how to make a stick person talk me 2 thats the bbq it's always good to have a 'training' type part to introduce new comers etc etc bbq stick man? why are there 2 rods? don;t the bbq the stick man! he'll go up in flames! true...there always should be a training part in vloggercon damn cats cus if ou only have one rod you might fall over what is that softwere oh. it's an application that came with his webcam, jen is it PC only? dunno if it's PC only... you are too too quiet which webcam? randy.. TURN IT UP TO 11 11 is better than 10 one louder! LOL! ok now I have to go and watch that youtube is the old IRC you are so right but it's a small percentage a big part of them will be intersted the over 35'rs maybe lots of contet prodcuters on blip i'm not saying don't try and invite them.. but i don't think the take up will be massive which is a shame sure there will yes.. it's a good thing oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo the cat eyes are memerizing shit.. sorry was cleaning some coffee off my o key mezmerizing too and a million more just looking for info and a place to meet just like us yeah.. anyone under 31 is stupid ;) er, you're 31, duncan? :) 2500 randy last I looked im on u tube we are eletist we were first there was less than 50 on the list when i joined so true Duncan it was hard to put video on the web for free 3 years ago lots of work arounds however....how is one heard within the crowd noise on youtube? every one was fragmated till vloggercon lol David: subscriptions, recommendations, comments very true i get more hits on u tube than any where eles Excellent idea ive got videos with over 20,000 hits on u tube I am going to stat doing this on youtude...except...using cat videos with voiceovers 20000 views is a lot.. what was the video? wow..I just reread what I typed...*ugh* I really hate this appple keyboard my fingers are not to blame...it's the keyboard ;) daivd.. i thought it was a freudian slip.. stat/start a wrestling on Duncan *chuckle* one have a good one keep making vidoe l8r me 2 see ya, David ;) see ya david bye yow! Bye all! night see ya Duncan email me with dates :) sleep soon, and well yup + wifi audio? ah later enric i have a question Night, Enric... bye enric ciao enric i have her email i think enric@cirne.com Irinairinaski@gmail.com john do you have a teacing background? 210 salem st apt 1 lowell ma 01850 great to see ya adam ciao ciao adam www.cafn8ed.tv www.crowrivercoffee.com cool check out livefromlowell.com off-the-grid geek camp... hehhe whre u from Minnesota jen, nice to meet up with ya will do. c'yall! Jan, go to bed. thats funny ciao can anyone hear me no sorry, im talking away,,, did that go thro I guess it's not working