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<description>We first discuss the idea of metrics for metadata and then discuss the LOMI seminars themselves.</description>
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<keyword>prolearn</keyword>
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<chats>
<chat personid="3" time="06:00" timestamp="1140615361" jumptime="00:05:31">(That&apos;s just me putting some manual metadata for annotating the meeting...)</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="18:35" timestamp="1140616116" jumptime="00:18:06">so we can see that only in very rare cases, people fill in optional fields ?</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="22:43" timestamp="1140616364" jumptime="00:22:14">under the completeness menu</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="22:49" timestamp="1140616370" jumptime="00:22:20">top left</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="23:05" timestamp="1140616386" jumptime="00:22:36">got it</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="24:23" timestamp="1140616464" jumptime="00:23:54">I thought the quality factor was out of 1 ? How do you get 1.1?</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="25:10" timestamp="1140616511" jumptime="00:24:41">ah...</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="29:56" timestamp="1140616797" jumptime="00:29:27">still loading...</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="30:13" timestamp="1140616814" jumptime="00:29:44">same here</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="30:16" timestamp="1140616817" jumptime="00:29:47">still loading here too...</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="30:26" timestamp="1140616827" jumptime="00:29:57">and here too</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="30:32" timestamp="1140616833" jumptime="00:30:03">me as well</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="31:03" timestamp="1140616864" jumptime="00:30:34">have it now</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="31:08" timestamp="1140616869" jumptime="00:30:39">me too</chat>
<chat personid="11" time="31:13" timestamp="1140616874" jumptime="00:30:44">still loading :(</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="31:24" timestamp="1140616885" jumptime="00:30:55">got it!</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="32:51" timestamp="1140616972" jumptime="00:32:22">on the top</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="32:51" timestamp="1140616972" jumptime="00:32:22">I can see the link</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="34:21" timestamp="1140617062" jumptime="00:33:52">Do you think 30-40 is enough to measure quality?</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="35:24" timestamp="1140617125" jumptime="00:34:55">I think if u have more people but 10 objects is good too?</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="36:11" timestamp="1140617172" jumptime="00:35:42">How did you select the objects? Any criteria/strategy?</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="37:53" timestamp="1140617274" jumptime="00:37:24">What&apos;s the rationale behind using reviewers instead of test-end users ?</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="46:37" timestamp="1140617798" jumptime="00:46:08">the issue of individual difference is very challenging to overcome, to mitigate the issue, use as many subjects as possible while keeping the number of objects to a reasonable amount</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="49:23" timestamp="1140617964" jumptime="00:48:54">when is the deadline?</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="49:23" timestamp="1140617964" jumptime="00:48:54">That was the catch!</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="49:26" timestamp="1140617967" jumptime="00:48:57">I want to</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="51:23" timestamp="1140618084" jumptime="00:50:54">ok, that is fine with me</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="54:11" timestamp="1140618252" jumptime="00:53:42">1-7</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="54:46" timestamp="1140618287" jumptime="00:54:17">strongly agree , strongly dis agree</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="55:41" timestamp="1140618342" jumptime="00:55:12">http://ariadne.cti.espol.edu.ec/paper.pdf comes up broken for me Xavier (on the instructions page... extra background paper useful).</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="55:55" timestamp="1140618356" jumptime="00:55:26">upss!!.. I will correct Imediatelly</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="56:07" timestamp="1140618368" jumptime="00:55:38">looks pretty easy to understand the rating scheme to me...</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="56:36" timestamp="1140618397" jumptime="00:56:07">It is out of 11 btw as you use zero!</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="56:56" timestamp="1140618417" jumptime="00:56:27">(note that this will affect your stats)</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="57:33" timestamp="1140618454" jumptime="00:57:04">agreed!</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="58:20" timestamp="1140618501" jumptime="00:57:51">fine, thank you!</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="59:20" timestamp="1140618561" jumptime="00:58:51">Do not forget to review the metrics website</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="59:40" timestamp="1140618581" jumptime="00:59:11">http://ariadne.cti.espol.edu.ec/QMetrics/completness.jsp</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:02:36" timestamp="1140618757" jumptime="01:02:07">Yeah... Focus on *advertized* topics would be neat...</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:10:44" timestamp="1140619245" jumptime="01:10:15">yeah; not well suited to presentations</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:10:57" timestamp="1140619258" jumptime="01:10:28">10 mins is a long is a long time in FM...</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:11:19" timestamp="1140619280" jumptime="01:10:50">what is FM</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:11:24" timestamp="1140619285" jumptime="01:10:55">FlashMeeting</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:11:28" timestamp="1140619289" jumptime="01:10:59">ha!</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:13:42" timestamp="1140619423" jumptime="01:13:13">David will be over in KMi shortly to talk Open Content with us...</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:16:09" timestamp="1140619570" jumptime="01:15:40">yes, prepare the participants</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:16:14" timestamp="1140619575" jumptime="01:15:45">My diary loading is scary... I subscribe to a hundred or so ical diaries... takes a while...</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="01:16:44" timestamp="1140619605" jumptime="01:16:15">why not anounce it at DBworld or at phd consortiums relevant to learning technologies</chat>
<chat personid="3" time="01:16:52" timestamp="1140619613" jumptime="01:16:23">CGIAR, Volkswagen</chat>
<chat personid="1" time="01:17:00" timestamp="1140619621" jumptime="01:16:31">or somebody from the Navy ?</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="01:17:00" timestamp="1140619621" jumptime="01:16:31">imc</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:17:01" timestamp="1140619622" jumptime="01:16:32">yes</chat>
<chat personid="7" time="01:17:11" timestamp="1140619632" jumptime="01:16:42">ibm?</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:17:43" timestamp="1140619664" jumptime="01:17:14">David will be with us 16/17 March...</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:18:17" timestamp="1140619698" jumptime="01:17:48">Will do; we will be quite busy but he might like that...</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:18:38" timestamp="1140619719" jumptime="01:18:09">Yes... good idea</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:19:35" timestamp="1140619776" jumptime="01:19:06">Was the FlashVlog version ok?</chat>
<chat personid="10" time="01:19:54" timestamp="1140619795" jumptime="01:19:25">http://flash.kmi.open.ac.uk:8080/fv/viewer2.swf?pwd=201434-3206&amp;bc=ffffff</chat>
<chat personid="9" time="01:21:10" timestamp="1140619871" jumptime="01:20:41">That is a good idea to atract more people</chat>
<chat personid="5" time="01:22:43" timestamp="1140619964" jumptime="01:22:14">not at all</chat>
<chat personid="4" time="01:24:24" timestamp="1140620065" jumptime="01:23:55">Welcome!</chat>
<chat personid="6" time="01:25:30" timestamp="1140620131" jumptime="01:25:01">Thanks! Bye!</chat>
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<note time="05:28" timestamp="1140615329" jumptime="00:04:59">metadata metrics</note>
<note time="01:00:46" timestamp="1140618647" jumptime="01:00:17">LOMI itself</note>
<note time="01:02:05" timestamp="1140618726" jumptime="01:01:36">visibility and announce earlier and 1 hour only and advertise more widely</note>
<note time="01:03:12" timestamp="1140618793" jumptime="01:02:43">topics jump too much, more cohesion, maybe others prefer otherwise</note>
<note time="01:04:33" timestamp="1140618874" jumptime="01:04:04">graduate student seminar is fine, other things may attract others - tutorial for instance, say on IEEE LOM or LMS for dummies or ...</note>
<note time="01:05:47" timestamp="1140618948" jumptime="01:05:18">ask externals to contribute - Peter has someone from OU, maybe someone on Open Content</note>
<note time="01:09:05" timestamp="1140619146" jumptime="01:08:36">2 slots of 30 mins per session</note>
<note time="01:09:42" timestamp="1140619183" jumptime="01:09:13">or 30 mins presentation and 30 mins Q&amp;A or discussion</note>
<note time="01:11:38" timestamp="1140619299" jumptime="01:11:09">more mixture of presenter with 5 mins topics that are immediately followed by interaction or other way around</note>
<note time="01:14:06" timestamp="1140619447" jumptime="01:13:37">suggestions for contributors?</note>
<note time="01:14:30" timestamp="1140619471" jumptime="01:14:01">Engelbart, Nelson</note>
<note time="01:16:06" timestamp="1140619567" jumptime="01:15:37">announce topic (for instance: research agenda) and discuss</note>
<note time="01:16:35" timestamp="1140619596" jumptime="01:16:06">involve someone from industry</note>
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