http://fm.ea-tel.eu/flashmedia/flashmeeting/fm16357_25d5f4-16357 http://fm.ea-tel.eu/fm/memo.php?pwd=25d5f4-16357 http://fm.ea-tel.eu/public Edited videos with slides can be found at blogs.sun.com slash video amber road open storage opensolaris solaris sun microsystems sun storage 7000 0:8384:0 0:623:0 1181:1935:0 22:12351:0 104:10614:0 10797:11707:0 151:12351:0 368:12351:0 1088:4756:0 1131:3762:0 8093:10728:0 1254:12351:1 1500:1874:0 1594:11526:0 1616:1697:0 1726:12077:0 1701:11329:0 12088:12351:0 2153:4180:0 2521:12351:0 2548:3443:0 3092:4205:0 3300:12351:0 3375:4586:0 8998:11221:0 3683:12350:0 4063:4215:0 4624:5569:0 4788:8482:0 7218:8296:0 7456:7910:0 7589:10673:0 10710:11232:0 7681:12351:0 8011:11287:0 9517:9541:0 10731:11500:0 12347:12351:0 Welcome to the 2009 Open Storage Summit! We'll get started shortly. Lynn Rohrer is kicking off the summit. resolution is not so good is there going to be any audio? no audio ? Sorry for the inconvenience, working on audio issues Audio working now? Not for me same here. there it is That's better is the ustream different? http://www.ustream.tv/channel/open-storage-summit you should be getting some audio now no ustream on this one can you hear? i am getting "some audio".. but can't discern what he is saying. :( damn same for me it got better. Can hear ok now. audio is ok, but not great that's much better. yea!! i can understand now good Great! perfect he's speaking english :) phew. I'm going to log out so there's room for another person. camera on slide please are there slides we can d/l somehwere? Slides are on the wiki wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolaris/OpenSolaris+Storage+Summit+200902 Thank You Ceri thanks Would like to hear when FC support will be coming into the 7000 series if possible Ceri, I will ask Mike your question. Thanks. https://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolaris/OpenSolaris+Storage+Summit+200902#OpenSolarisStorageSummit200902-RemoteParticipation Hi Dave :) Greetings from Beijing Hotel internet is flaky - we'll see how long it lasts Thanks for being here, Dave How many of you are in the conference room, please? not me remote from UK not me OK - thanks for chiming in, folks. in France Thanks. FC support in 7000 series second half of this calendar year Your welcome Please type in questions for Mike Shapiro Next up, Randy Bias from GoGrid sounds good If you are comfortable sharing your name and organization, we'd love to know who you are David Stewart, Intel corp (Manufacturer of that *other* processor) Welcome, David. Is anything going on now? Yes, starting now great. Reminder, slides are availabe on the wiki - https://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolaris/OpenSolaris+Storage+Summit+200902#OpenSolarisStorageSummit200902-RemoteParticipation Don't be shy, now -- we'd really like to know more about you, and why you are here. :) I am a community manager at Sun Microsystems, helping at the summit. What about you? OK; we're using x4500s as FC targets for various backend purposes. Cool! Computer support/ computer contractor for small businesses looking into opensolaris as replacement to linux servers to offer more services to customers Independent consultant/trainer (ex-Sun), Storage/HA/Virtualisation specialisations, I'm also the EMEA lead instructor for S7xxx internal/external training for Sun ... Thanks, Adrian and CraigM! Sun UK - Senior Systems/Storage Support Engineer. Please send in your questions, I will ask on your behalf Who cares about the Linux community anymore Question: Why haven't you embraced xVM/ZFS on OpenSolaris rather than Linux? Question2: Are you actually using ZFS in production today at GoGrid? Question3: Why? Thanks for your questions, folks S3 have a community open question about pre-loads to their developer community at the moment ... how many people are in the crowd? TZ offsets ... so thats back in 25mins ... We have around 85-90 people present kool. So did Randy from GoGrid say that they aren't using ZFS because of licensing issues Yes, we are breaking for coffee and chat or that Sun should release ZFS under GPL But, the conversation can continue on our backchannel GoGrid won't run Solaris. so that others will also use it they won't go to ZFS... they want ZFS to come to them. Rick from Tucows this is Deirdre' didn't we meet at a conf about 10 years ago? you gave me a great Blue Cows tshirt Thats OK, ECC has come to OpenSolaris ... so they'll get worked around ... Blues Cows that is (that was Deirdre commanding my keyboard momentarily) What was the answer to the FC on the 7000 series question? arek: end of CY09Q2 7000 series is a bit of a downgrade for us w/o it, so I'm particularly interested FC support in 7000 series second half of this calendar year Just realized that I can scroll backwards in this chat window. Arek Dreyer, Dreyer Network Consultants, Inc - author of Directory Services for Mac OS X 10.5 reference guide, worked on Xsan 2 course (Apple's clustered file system), independent consultant, trainer for Apple's IT courses Hi Arek, welcome! What's Red Hat doing at this conference? :) or is that just a sound guy with a red hat? No, that is Don McAskill from SMUGMUG He claims to moonlight as a sound tech, btw. ;) Arek, do you mind sharing your interest in the Open Solaris Storage Summit? Don's red hat appears in many diff. places ... good guy! I'm hot for ZFS Great to hear, thank you. Here's Don and his red hat at Velocity 2008: http://flickr.com/photos/60065287@N00/2725937842/ I learned sysadminning on SunOS 3.2 then 4.1.1_U1 then.... got into Mac OS X well ... Xsan (aka StorNext) has many parallels in QFS, ZFS is coming to Snow Leopard, the akd might see usage for LDAP/IDM, etc, why wouldn't he be here?? Dtrace and zfs is returning my attention to my roots :) forgive the pun. Does anyone know when Snow Leopard will ship? sorry, forgot Instruments there for a mo ... Apple hasn't released the date for Snow Leopard yet Got it. I'll look forward to that release. People are coming back into the room, we should be getting started shortly ... 10 minutes for community introductions, then Don is up If you'd like to be introduced to the room, please chime in and I will present you Yes, please. "Hi, I'm Arek Dreyer, sitting in Chicago. I'm an author, trainer, and consultant with Solaris roots but currently focusing on Apple Mac OS X Server. Exciting times!" is there any video of the meeting? LD: seems the video is trained on the podium I guess Don, nice Apple logo on the presentation screen! loooow-res vid. possible to get higher rez? Thanks, Arek. I will introduce you at the next opportunity Slides are available here: http://wikis.sun.com/download/attachments/63226450/MacAskill+OpenStorage+2009.pdf Apologies for the low-rez video, I'll see if we can improve this Looks like we are stuck with current video settings, sorry I've heard from folks in the UK and Chicago. Where do others hail from? I am in the czech republic. Welcome, Max! Thanks for spending your evening with us. that's interesting, i am looking for work, preferably in solaris. but he says he can't find solaris people? Maybe i need to concentrate on zfs under linux...? try zfs on opensolaris? why linux? San Diego, Bob Murphy so, they know linux and not opensolaris. if they can learn linux, opensolaris is not that different. max: see page 13 of the presentation pdf yes... so they don't want to take the time to learn... Welcome, Bob! Question for Don: Did you look at using something other then MySQL? (Not that I have a suggestion) ^then^than Thanks, Arek. I will ask your question. ?? did anyone else's video just go out? (and sound) yep grrr Yeah Lou went offline .... no video or sound... dang... i guess lunch is calling :P It was his machine the video/audio was routed thru in the room shoot.. well, that was an interesting talk... yea yes it was. funny thing is solaris isnt that hard. missing a lot of tools yes but not hard. it is funny that don is saying he has no idea what to do with that much io capability. i thought the latest version of OpenSolaris (2008.11+) now come with more of those gnu tools? (top/screen...) we're back! yay! Sorry about the interruption ... but SmugMug is relatively small, hence little spare bandwidth to learn a new OS! i didn't catch it in Mike's talk. do the 7000's run an os, or just zfs? Don looked at Postgres, non-SQL solutions, Oracle too expensive. Picks technologies based on vibrancy of communities. MySQL fit the bill. max: the 7000 runs opensolaris ... and of course zfs ;) thanks. what are the comparables to netapps these days? I have not kept up. iops wise can you ask Don if he's tried using myisam instead of innodb performance there? Bob, I'll try to get in your question. there is some discussions of myisam vs innodb in back entries on his blog ;-) does anyone know if there are companies building btrfs boxes that do more or less the same as the 7000? LD: can´t compare that ... NetApp brags about their SPECsfs performance, but that benchmark is skewed ... a Sun 7410 filerhead can 250.000 IOPS ;) (albeit on a pathologic corner case ... look at bendan greggs blog for this) max bruning: brtfs is years away from prime time ... thanks again. what about backups, how are they being done? c0t0d0s0 URL? can you put that on the amber road? sorry, that's really what i was asking Don: For most workloads, innodb is massively better. i'll ping him directly. thanks, anyway damn no virtual lunch LD: http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/a_quarter_million_nfs_iops LD, I'm sending you a virtual tuna sandwich! :) How about some virtual toro? mmmmmmm I hate sandwiches for lunch events Don has detailed much about MySQL on their blog historically, they've gone so far as to bankroll changes to get the perf they want in the past ... are the afternoon talks on this stream? We'll be taking our noon break now, I'll leave the chat room open. i hated the sandwich lunch boxes at CEC .... Starbucks saves me every time i am in the US ;) Please find the streaming addresses on the Open Solaris Storage Summit wiki see u later https://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolaris/OpenSolaris+Storage+Summit+200902#OpenSolarisStorageSummit200902-RemoteParticipation Thanks for participating in the morning session, everyone! I am shutting down the session, but we will continue live streaming this afternoon (Pacific Standard Time).